Is Owens that good or the new Eagles CB's that bad?

Just curious what your beef with Kordell is. I think he has talent and when the Bears lost, it wasn't because of him. I saw his receivers getting hit in the numbers and the ball still landed on the ground.

I don't think Garcia is that good, the thing about Quincy Carter is he's still very young and very mobile. Don't count him down just yet!

Springs has been said to be one of the most physically gifted CBs ever. He's well proportioned, fast, etc. Unfortunatly he has a body that breaks down a lot. If Springs could get to a healthy form and stay there, we'll all be saying Champ who? really soon.

JoeTheisman -

Sorry, I disagree with you on the Garcia assesment. I acknowledge he is physically limited, but the man knows his limitations and plays well within them. No, he will never be confused with Elway or even Montana but he is more than a competent starter. As I recall, he came in at the end of the year last season and played well for SF - had a QB rating over a hundred for the last four games. As for his failure to utilize TO, the two of them had so much baggage last year, SF wasn't going to go out of its way to retain either of them - Regardless of their respective talent.

As for the Eagles CB's, you may be right. I just remember reading that Brown (the high draft pick from a couple year's ago) struggled in coverage. It's entirely possible that Reid knows something no one else does. But, to this point, the new CB's haven't shown it. Neither of these guys are rookies, and they couldn't displace Taylor OR Vincent last year - Yet, now they are BOTH better than either Taylor or Vincent? Somehow, I find that hard to believe.

As for Springs, again you may be right - he may be injury prone from now on out. But as he pointed out in a recent interview, his first three years he started everygame and went to the pro bowl once. My question is whether or not he can get back to that level. Every report I have read on him is that he is fast, physical and moves well and that his only limitations stem from his recent injuries. I guess, we only see after the season starts.

P.S.: If you want to start talking about guys who should not be Redskins, go start your own thread! I wanted answers to my questions here. :food-smil

champ who?? We'll never be saying that. If he was so good knowing how valuable corners are why did they let him go he wasnt asking for too much like champ. He was expendable, he wasn't playing like Chris Mcallister. He will be good in case of an emergency. Well I tell you what Kordell has had his chances, how many do you get?
Comparison::: Remember we played San francisco Spurriers first year and T.O. had two catches for 33 yards he ran a reverse for a touch. that same year later he had the SHARPIE SHARPIE SHARPIE incident against Springs who is now immortal because of the SAHRPIE incident.. he had 6 catches for 86 yards and 2 touches off receptions. that was 2002 you tell me if Springs is garbage or not. you tell me if he can compare to Champ in any category he smiles alot but he gets burnt alot. Carter is garbage hell he is immortal for giving the Texans their first victory in their first game ever. My favorite cowboy moment ever was during that game. (Carter overtthrows the wideout and Dave Campo makes the grab on the sideline it was if he threw the ball to Campo and the receiver was wide open the ball sailed right over his head and went right into Campos arms..hahaha Dallas got beat by Houston. great qbs dont have moments like that even in highschool...Springs is a short term answer we need draft picks to get good corners and pick more than one cause they have a 50% coverage illiteracy rate.

P.S. sorry about disrespecting your thread. but look at the question is T.O. that good?
Is Jerry rice in San Fran? No why? cause T.O. is that good.

Jerry Rice isn't SF b/c it became a money/age thing. And yes, having a competent starter in the wings with TO.

As for the Springs/Sharpie incident - That's kinda the point. In 2002 and 2003, Springs was injured. The question is whether this is going to be a permanent issue for him OR were the past injuries just coincedental. Why'd Seattle let him go? Marcus Trufant AND Springs was asking too much for Seattle to pay. (Who'd they get to replace Springs? Bobby Taylor - at a much lower price then Springs).

isn't garcia leaving san fran with some stats better than montana and young? i know he owns several of that franchises single season records. i'd take garcia as the starting qb over half of the other starting qbs in the league right now. and while i agree springs is not champ, you can't really compare two different players in two different defensive schemes and their performance against a common opponent. in the second game that year against seattle, i think TO had 5 catches for only 45 yards.

now back to the original thread question, i think its a combination of both to's talent and the phili cb's lack there of. they performed decently last year while taylor and vincent were out with injuries, which kinda worked in phili's favor for them to get their young cbs some starting expirience, but they didn't show me anything that warrented the eagles letting both of their starting cbs go. and the loss of emmons really hasn't gotten enough press but that is gonna hurt their already thin lb group.

Okay, i watch football not stats. Garcia looks like a little kid getting the crap knocked out of him all the time.. interception prone everytime he gets hit i cringe he doesnot belong in the NFL. If you think springs is gonna stop T.O. then you will be disappointed we will beat the Eagles because of midseason and halftime adjustments. i don't see springs having a comeback year after 3 down years. Lito sheppard and Brown were steals in the draft. Taylor and vincent didnt play much last year. so who were the corner on the nfc east champs last year? the two they have right now. garcia is shaky and he ahd a good year or two like kurt warner but last year was obvious he sucked.

Okay, i watch football not stats. Garcia looks like a little kid getting the crap knocked out of him all the time.. interception prone everytime he gets hit i cringe he doesnot belong in the NFL. If you think springs is gonna stop T.O. then you will be disappointed we will beat the Eagles because of midseason and halftime adjustments. i don't see springs having a comeback year after 3 down years. Lito sheppard and Brown were steals in the draft. Taylor and vincent didnt play much last year. so who were the corner on the nfc east champs last year? the two they have right now. garcia is shaky and he ahd a good year or two like kurt warner but last year was obvious he sucked.

i don't know what football u watch then cuz more often than not when i saw garcia played he did pretty darn well for only having one decent wr and a solid rb. he has more than a 2 to 1 ratio of tds to ints for his career and i'm sorry if a 49er qb other than montana or young has not just any, but most of the single season records, he was doing something right. and if completing 57.4% of your passes for 2704 yards, 18tds/13 ints and running for 325 yards and 7 tds on 54 carries in only 13 games, while playing with a freaking bulging disc in his back, is somehow bad, what the heck would he have to do to be good then? is it just because he's short or something?

and with their starting cbs out and the backup "steals" in, the eagles went from 7th in the league against the pass in 2002 to 15th last year and from 4th in overall defense in 2002 to 20th last year. i for one hope they keep up with this type of "improvement."

P.S. if garcia played within his limitations he would be in the grey cup.

We seem to really be straying away from the initial question on the thread.

As good as Owens is, I'm not sold at all on the Eagles CB's. That being said however, going up against Owens every day in practice can only make them better.