Brunell vs. Bledsoe

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scowan
03-22-2006, 03:02 PM
i'd take 32TDs and 12ints to 23 and 10 anyday ;)

Maybe with our new receivers those numbers are a posibility. Wouldn't that be nice.

Skins4Eva
03-22-2006, 03:07 PM
Brunell vs. Bledsoe ..... who cares; Jason Campbell will be better than either of them!

Southpaw
03-22-2006, 03:23 PM
At the same time while Brunell is not statistically the best QB, he is above average or better than most at making good decisions with the ball.

i.e. Taking a sack when it's 4th an the game. :frusty:

724Skinsfan
03-22-2006, 03:26 PM
Stats play a pretty nice role in trying to determine future probabilities but they should not be used as definitive source for an argument about who's better. Some stats are definitely misleading. How many people on these boards think Mike Alstott really had 6 touchdown's and not 5?

Huddle
03-22-2006, 03:27 PM
Huddle, come on man. I seriously doubt he was saying that turnovers are the entire reason teams win or lose. I think he was saying that turnovers are the single biggest factor in the outcome of the game. Check this out, the first number represents the team's giveaway/takeaway ratio, the 2nd number is the number of wins they had:

Cincinnati 25 11
Denver 18 13
Carolina 12 11
NY Giants 12 11
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Arizona -10 5
Baltimore -10 6
San Francisco -10 4
St. Louis -14 6
New Orleans -21 3
Green Bay -23 4

[etcetera]


It's blatantly obvious that turnovers are the most important factor in a game.

Your list confirms that there is a strong correlation between winning and a positive turnover ratio.

Well, there is an even stronger correlation between winning and the points scored to points allowed ratio.

What you are missing is that, like the point ratio, the turnover ratio is an effect caused by how well the team played. You are confusing effect with cause.

Sure cutting down on INTs is a good idea but no more so than throwing more complete passes.

Schneed10
03-22-2006, 03:36 PM
What you are missing is that, like the point ratio, the turnover ratio is an effect caused by how well the team played. You are confusing effect with cause.

I'm not missing that. Go back to post #22 where I clearly state what the cause is for Bledsoe's higher INTs and Sacks compared to Brunell.

At some point you're going to have to acknowledge that stats, when analyzed correctly, tell the tale. Any fan can see that Bledsoe is more susceptible to sacks thanks to his tendency to hold onto the ball, and the fact that he runs like my grandmom. Some of those 49 sacks were attributable to bad line play (like the 4 rung up by Phillip Daniels). But some are attributable to Bledsoe himself.

You seem to eschew stats in favor of football analysis. It seems to be plain as day to me what the cause is for all of Bledsoe's sacks.

12thMan
03-22-2006, 03:37 PM
Sure cutting down on INTs is a good idea but no more so than throwing more complete passes.

I disagree - interceptions aren't only momentum/drive killers but they also change possession of the ball immediately - incompletions do not.
At least you have the option of punting with an incompletion.

Schneed10
03-22-2006, 03:40 PM
Sure cutting down on INTs is a good idea but no more so than throwing more complete passes.

And this point is just absurd. What would you rather have, complete pass or incomplete pass? What would you rather have, complete pass or interception? Duh.

The real point is I'd rather have an incompletion over an INT any day. So give me a game-managing QB any day of the week over a gunslinger who tends to force plays to happen.

Schneed10
03-22-2006, 03:43 PM
And taking it even further, what would you rather have?

A) Complete pass for 10 yards, incomplete pass, incomplete pass, incomplete pass, punt for 45 yards.
B) Complete pass for 10 yards, complete pass for 10 yards, complete pass for 10 yards, interception.

I'll take A.

724Skinsfan
03-22-2006, 03:48 PM
I disagree - interceptions aren't only momentum/drive killers but they also change possession of the ball immediately - incompletions do not.
At least you have the option of punting with an incompletion.

That's true. If you're going to compare it would be something like 3 consecutive incompletions to 1 interception. Either way results most likely in a change of posession.

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