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That Guy 03-22-2006, 03:46 PM come on guys (and possibly, gal).
clements aint coming here either, he's franchised and not being released. he's also a #1 CB. no #1 CB is going to come here to play nickel, especially when franchised.
how about an updated list that clearly shows who's franchised and restricted (and the compensation that'd be owed) and that doesn't list 12 guys that aren't even free agents anymore.
onebum 03-22-2006, 03:55 PM come on guys (and possibly, gal).
clements aint coming here either, he's franchised and not being released. he's also a #1 CB. no #1 CB is going to come here to play nickel, especially when franchised.
how about an updated list that clearly shows who's franchised and restricted (and the compensation that'd be owed) and that doesn't list 12 guys that aren't even free agents anymore.
sorry, I wasn't aware Clements is tagged. As for the other thing, I don't think he's a #1 corner. There's been plenty of hype around him, but I didn't think he was that good...of course hype means money, so regaurless of skill he'll be getting #1 money.
So, basically, you are correct and I agree, because even if he isn't a #1 talent, he'll get #1 money, and we don't need to pay big for a CB we don't need, we need to pay low for future ability and promise that can fill depth needs right now.
That Guy 03-22-2006, 04:14 PM Player FA Type Ht. Wt. Exp. 2005 Team
Ty Law Releasd 5-11 200 11 NY Jets
Charles Woodson UFA 6-1 200 8 Raiders
Nate Clements UFA 6-0 209 5 Bills
Ike Taylor RFA 6-1 191 3 Steelers
Deion Sanders UFA 6-1 198 14 Ravens
DeJuan Groce RFA 5-10 192 3 Rams
Roderick Hood RFA 5-11 196 3 Eagles
Chris Johnson RFA 5-11 198 3 Rams
Dyshod Carter RFA 5-10 194 3 Cardinals
Ricky Manning Jr. RFA 5-8 185 3 Panthers
Donald Strickland RFA 5-10 187 3 Colts
Frank Walker RFA 5-10 198 3 NY Giants
Lamont Brightful RFA 5-10 160 4 NY Giants
Jerry Azumah UFA 5-10 192 7 Bears
Rashad Bauman UFA 5-8 184 4 Bengals
Tony Beckham UFA 6-1 195 4 Titans
Ralph Brown UFA 5-10 185 5 Vikings
Chris Cash UFA 5-10 185 4 Falcons
Terry Fair UFA 5-10 191 8 Rams
Jamar Fletcher UFA 5-10 186 5 Chargers
Ken Irvin UFA 5-11 186 11 Vikings
Corey Ivy UFA 5-9 188 4 Rams
Ray Mickens UFA 5-8 180 10 Browns
Willie Middlebrooks UFA 6-1 200 5 Broncos
Hank Poteat UFA 5-10 192 4 Patriots
Chad Scott UFA 6-1 202 9 Patriots
Kiwaukee Thomas UFA 5-11 192 6 Dolphins
Lenny Walls UFA 6-4 195 4 Broncos
Raymond Walls UFA 5-10 189 5 Cardinals
Dewayne Washington UFA 5-11 195 12 Chiefs
Kenny Wright UFA 6-1 207 7 Jaguars
Ahmed Plummer Releasd 5-11 191 6 49ers
Reggie Howard Releasd 6-0 185 6 Dolphins
Michael Lehan Releasd 6-0 190 3 Browns
Dexter McCleon Releasd 5-10 195 9 Chiefs
Duane Starks Releasd 5-10 174 8 Patriots
Denard Walker Releasd 6-1 190 9 Raiders
Eric Warfield Releasd 6-0 200 8 Chiefs
Willie Williams Releasd 5-9 194 13 Steelers
Andre Dyson Releasd 5-10 183 5 Seahawks
here's a better list from ESPN's free agency tracker, but its still flawed, a few of these guys may already be signed, the RFA rounds aren't shown and clements should be listed as a FFA. If anyone wants to do some homework i can update this so its not wrong.
the first group is clear #1s and guys that'd cost too much to get... and deion.
That Guy 03-22-2006, 04:16 PM sorry, I wasn't aware Clements is tagged. As for the other thing, I don't think he's a #1 corner. There's been plenty of hype around him, but I didn't think he was that good...of course hype means money, so regaurless of skill he'll be getting #1 money.
So, basically, you are correct and I agree, because even if he isn't a #1 talent, he'll get #1 money, and we don't need to pay big for a CB we don't need, we need to pay low for future ability and promise that can fill depth needs right now.
he'd be #1 on at least 5 teams, therefore he's a #1 corner. he had 99 tackles, 2 ints and 11 PD last year.
onebum 03-22-2006, 04:48 PM he'd be #1 on at least 5 teams, therefore he's a #1 corner. he had 99 tackles, 2 ints and 11 PD last year.
ok i guess, but I said that I don't think he's a number 1 corner.
His stats and your 5 teams doesn't change my opinion. I don't think he takes away his part of the field, I don't think he is on the top shelf of CBs, and I don't think he's a top CB. U may think so, no big deal that we disagree on this.
I don't think he's a #1 corner because I don't think he's a number 1 corner. A statline and your 5 teams doesn't mean I think he's a top CB, so my opinion remains.
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I'm not going to debate this anymore, not because i'm irratated or anything, I'm just not going to debate a non-skins player and if i think he's a top CB. You are speaking in certainty as if there is a list with no question, and I'm speaking of my opinion...this started with my opinion. Apparently my opinion is wrong because of his stats and your 5 teams, but it remains my opinion. Therefore I don't think he's a top CB.
That Guy 03-22-2006, 05:03 PM ok i guess, but I said that I don't think he's a number 1 corner.
His stats and your 5 teams doesn't change my opinion. I don't think he takes away his part of the field, I don't think he is on the top shelf of CBs, and I don't think he's a top CB. U may think so, no big deal that we disagree on this.
I don't think he's a #1 corner because I don't think he's a number 1 corner. A statline and your 5 teams doesn't mean I think he's a top CB, so my opinion remains.
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I'm not going to debate this anymore, not because i'm irratated or anything, I'm just not going to debate a non-skins player and if i think he's a top CB. You are speaking in certainty as if there is a list with no question, and I'm speaking of my opinion...this started with my opinion. Apparently my opinion is wrong because of his stats and your 5 teams, but it remains my opinion. Therefore I don't think he's a top CB.
so a guy that is the #1 corner on his team and would be #1 for at least 5-10 other teams isn't a #1 corner (even when in fact he really is)?
I speak with certainty because when you look at the bills depth chart, he's their #1 corner. you may not think he's a shutdown corner, but how many of those really exit in the league? maybe 5? being elite and being top 32 are two different things, but i'd like to see you're list where he ranks #33 or below in NFL CBs.
jordanz301 03-22-2006, 05:25 PM no need to get argue or show emotion, bottom line is clements is a good corner but in onebum's opinion is overrated. i didnt know he was a restricted free agent so theres no way hes comming ot play nickel. he is a good corner and my mistake for not doing my hw........
Arrows over NFC East 03-22-2006, 05:59 PM I didnt know that Ahmed Plummer got released if we got him he would be a nasty nickel corner but, probably wouldn't want to be a nickelback or wants to much money but damn the 49ers are gettin rid of all there key players.
That Guy 03-22-2006, 06:05 PM I didnt know that Ahmed Plummer got released if we got him he would be a nasty nickel corner but, probably wouldn't want to be a nickelback or wants to much money but damn the 49ers are gettin rid of all there key players.
yeah, he might be more of a safety than a CB. he kinda struggled there.
dmek25 03-22-2006, 06:12 PM what about the kid from the rams the skins were interested in a couple of seasons ago?
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