Out Of These Players Who Will Step Up Ther Game

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joecrisp
05-05-2004, 08:51 PM
Dockery. He had his moments last year, both good and bad. I just think that Spurrier's system was not "rookie friendly". Even the vets had trouble with it.
That's a very good point. He got thrown into the fire and got burned a fair number of times. That happens to all rookie linemen, but it was promising to see him start to come around towards the end of the season-- especially given how tough it was for the vets to look good in the Spurrier/Helton system.

joecrisp
05-05-2004, 09:33 PM
Another guy who really could make things interesting on that WR depth chart is Scott Cloman. I think he's poised for a big year-- or at least another big preseason-- it's just unfortunate for him that the Skins are so deep at the position. Whoever loses the competition for the #3 spot is going to get a hell of a run for their money from Cloman and Thrash for the #4 spot. That's the amazing thing about the competition-- there's almost as much pressure coming from the bottom of the depth chart as there is from the top! Man, oh man, that's going to be fun to watch in the preseason!

PSUskinsfan11
05-05-2004, 10:36 PM
I think our entire team (except for Champ Bailey) did not play well on a consistent basis.


I would have to disagree on this one....I'm not hating on Champ because he is gone now but he got burned alot last year especially vs. the Giants. For some reason he has a real problem covering Toomer.

skinsfanthru&thru
05-06-2004, 01:24 AM
hey joecrisp, about what weight has taylor come into the minicamps at?

SKINSnCANES
05-06-2004, 01:29 AM
yea Champ never played well against Toomer, hes been beat big by him a bunch of times. We are definitly stacked at receiver this year. I wouldnt be to worried about the depth chart, if weve got that many skilled receivers then I say rotate them in and always have fresh legs out there. Honestly, with Portis in the back field, and with Cooley seeming like he has a lot of potential. Im not sure what defenses are going to be able to do to cover all of the weopens. Brunell might be better at QB for us this year, Ramsey doesnt seem really comfortable being able to sit back and find the open guy. Hell hes never been able to sit back so he always rushes throws even when he has time. the line will be better but with so much talent on the team it might be best to let the vet take us as far as he can

skinsfanthru&thru
05-06-2004, 01:37 AM
Another guy who really could make things interesting on that WR depth chart is Scott Cloman. I think he's poised for a big year-- or at least another big preseason-- it's just unfortunate for him that the Skins are so deep at the position. Whoever loses the competition for the #3 spot is going to get a hell of a run for their money from Cloman and Thrash for the #4 spot. That's the amazing thing about the competition-- there's almost as much pressure coming from the bottom of the depth chart as there is from the top! Man, oh man, that's going to be fun to watch in the preseason!

do u know why he signed on to come to the skins camp this year with all the depth they have at wr? i would have thought he'd shown enough last preseason to have gotten offers where he might have a better chance to be on the starting roster.

joecrisp
05-06-2004, 06:29 AM
hey joecrisp, about what weight has taylor come into the minicamps at?
The official roster on the Redskins website is reflective of the information that was provided to the press for the minicamp on 4/28/04.

According to that roster, Taylor Jacobs weighs in at 198, with Sean Taylor weighing in at 231.

Wasn't sure which Taylor you were talking about. I assumed Jacobs.

joecrisp
05-06-2004, 06:40 AM
do u know why he signed on to come to the skins camp this year with all the depth they have at wr? i would have thought he'd shown enough last preseason to have gotten offers where he might have a better chance to be on the starting roster.
All I can figure is he likes it here. He's signed thru 2005, after which he becomes an exlcusive rights free agent. I guess he figured the Skins probably would give him a fairer shot than anywhere else, because he probably impressed Cerrato and Snyder last year, and he knows they'll look out for him.

Defensewins
05-06-2004, 11:00 AM
.....There are a couple of reasons I say that McCants and Jacobs have an excellent shot at displacing him on the depth chart: Jacobs has looked stellar in both minicamps, and has added a lot of muscle to his frame in an effort to improve his durability. Jacobs may be the best route-runner on the team, and his hands might be the softest.....


I hope you are right about Taylor, he has been a no-show since we spent a high draft pick on him.
My only concern with Jacobs and your glowing evaluation of him is many players look good in non-contact practices in shorts and helmets. But when the hitting starts and they take a big hit, they suddenly don't look so good.
It is particularly easy for a WR to look good and sure of himself in non-contact drills, because they know they are not going to get blindsided by a defensive player.
I personally will wait to see when the pads go on and the serious hitting begins, that is when I will make my mind about Taylor. I may be wrong about this label, but I have always thought (even in college) Taylor's only weakness was his toughness.
In his senior year in Florida I saw him take a wicked hit in a big game, I do not recall the opponent. He did not return or at least catch another ball for entire half. There are plenty of smallish receivers that have gone on to become stars and I hope Taylor is one of them. But they overcame their size disadvantage by being tough, like Gary Clarke and Troy Brown. Taylor, even in his best college days did not show much toughness. When I look at him, he seems to lack the killer instinct.

Hogskin
05-06-2004, 12:26 PM
Defensewins, unfortunately, I think you are right on with this one. Jacobs has not shown himself to be a gamer at all. Plus, he is still basically a rookie. Joe Gibbs strongly prefers experience. That is why I believe Thrash and McCants have the strong inside track to Gardner's job. With all the key drops and bad routes, it is extremely unlikely Gardner can hold the job. This has been going on too long for it to be a slump. And with Gibbs' repeated comments about McCants, you have to believe he will be on the field somewhere - either number 2 or in the frequent 3-receiver sets. I would love to see Jacobs get it together at gametime and battle Thrash for the job. But don't be surprised to see Thrash do very well in the upcoming competition. Remember, when he could not do the job in Philly, he was the #1 receiver. There are a lot of very good #2/3 receivers in this league that can not pull it off as a #1 receiver.

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