The Redskins salary cap

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bedlamVR
05-05-2004, 08:15 AM
Dead cap money is something we have had to live with for years in Washington but it seems to be the way Snyder copes with his cap crisis. Every year we reneogicate contracts and cut a few others . Trotter and Candidate have fairly big contracts but will be cut after June first and we will eat what is left of thier contracts next year but save money in the long run.

Samuels always said he would renegociate then end of this year or next year bringing his cap number down assuming he rebounds to pro bowl form otherwise he will be cut or relased next year or be renogicated downwards.Arrington is up in the air depending on what happens after his current proceedings which will either go for him in which case he may be too expensive and need to be traded/released or it will go against him in which case he can put the entire situation behind him and chnge agents or become a disgruntelled disruptive influence who belives he has been cheated by the team which again will see him cut .

As for the other players i think we are getting good value for the likes of Jansen and coles especially and Ramsey is cheep though if he is starting by then he will be looking for more money by 2006 .

BrudLee
05-05-2004, 08:59 AM
Trotter and Candidate have fairly big contracts but will be cut after June first and we will eat what is left of thier contracts next year but save money in the long run.
Actually, Canidate will have no cap hit if/when cut. As the product of a trade, his signing bonus was accelerated to the trading team (the Rams), so they took the hit last year. He would cost us zero dollars to let go. Trotter will cost the prorated portion of his signing bonus if released or traded.

Drift Reality
05-05-2004, 09:00 AM
I'm not worrying about it until then, somehow the Skins' awlays seem to find a way to do what they gotta do.

Not so sure about this point, at least not in the past decade or so.

That being said, I think I could live with the salaries if Samuels and Arrington renogotiate - except for Wynn and Brunell.

The Brunell thing is the one which probably irritates me the most due to the size of his signing bonus.

Do you think there is one other team in the NFL that was going to give this guy an 8 million dollar signing bonus and/or a third round pick?

Drift Reality
05-05-2004, 09:02 AM
Actually, Canidate will have no cap hit if/when cut. As the product of a trade, his signing bonus was accelerated to the trading team (the Rams), so they took the hit last year. He would cost us zero dollars to let go. Trotter will cost the prorated portion of his signing bonus if released or traded.

Agree - Canidate won't do anything to our cap thankfully.

That being said, I want to point out (as the resident a-hole) that we did waste a third round pick for this shmuck.

It wasn't Snyder's fault, this one should be put on Spurrier for thinking that Canidate was the answer at running back.

BrudLee
05-05-2004, 09:18 AM
Canidate put up a good YPC and does a lot of things well. He was a good fit for Spurrier's offense. Take away his injury last year, and he very likely would have been a 1000 yard rusher.

He's not the showcase guy for this offense, and his contract status makes him a likely cut. But if he and Betts were on equal footing contract-wise, I'm not so sure Betts wouldn't be the guy to leave - making Canidate the "Kelvin Bryant" of this team.

Drift Reality
05-05-2004, 09:49 AM
Brudlee makes a good point about the YPC. He was starting to pick it up a bit before he got injured.

That being said, I don't see what he brings to the table as a complimentary runner to Portis. Betts has an added dimension of being able to push the pile somewhat.

Hogskin
05-05-2004, 10:04 AM
The original premis of this thread is way off base. You are looking at 2004 status of the 2006 cap. It is obvious from the past few seasons, that one thing this team's management DOES understand is the financial side of the game. Their long range plan is to restructure contracts when it becomes necessary, utilizing the bonuses that get spread over the life of the contract. You just keep restructuring. And yes, there may be a blockbuster trade every year or two. Expect that to happen. The system is working well, and will continue to!!

Oh yeah, and don't forget, there will be large growth in the allowable cap amounts over the next few years...

BrudLee
05-05-2004, 10:24 AM
Brudlee makes a good point about the YPC. He was starting to pick it up a bit before he got injured.

That being said, I don't see what he brings to the table as a complimentary runner to Portis. Betts has an added dimension of being able to push the pile somewhat.

That's kind of my point. Betts does evewrything Portis does - but not as well. Canidatedoes different things - has better foot speed, which changes a defense's focus. I made this point last year after watching the Jets game. On one play, Canidate left the backfield and lined up as a wideout. The defense was scrambling, because Trung is as fast as any receiver we line up. That play (like so many others) didn't amount to much, but the threat forces the defnse to react, rather than act. Betts going into motion into the Z-slot doesn't have the same effect.

FRPLG
05-05-2004, 10:53 AM
The Skins make a joke out of the cap on a yearly basis. We have lost one notable player in the Snyder era (due more to the insanity of the Spurrier era than the cap really. They could simply have redone the deal just like they do with all the other big cap number contracts) and he has shown true foresight and ability to manage the situation. The thing to note is that the Redskins are constantly blazing the trail on dealing with the cap. How many tactics do other teams use that the Redskins basically invented? The reason this team struggles is not because they can't afford talent but because they can't identify it. Hopefully that is now changing under The Man

SkinsRock
05-05-2004, 12:13 PM
That's kind of my point. Betts does evewrything Portis does - but not as well. Canidatedoes different things - has better foot speed, which changes a defense's focus. I made this point last year after watching the Jets game. On one play, Canidate left the backfield and lined up as a wideout. The defense was scrambling, because Trung is as fast as any receiver we line up. That play (like so many others) didn't amount to much, but the threat forces the defnse to react, rather than act. Betts going into motion into the Z-slot doesn't have the same effect.

I disagree. IMO Portis is more like a stronger version of Canidate...that has produced, big-time. They're about the same size. Betts is more in the traditional bigger RB mold, ala Davis. If Portis were to leave the backfield and line up as a wide out, I'm sure the defense would be scrambling just as much...if not more.
I think either Betts or Rock will end up being the primary back-up, especially for "pushing the pile" short yardage situations. Canidate and Morton give about the same threat, and due to Morton being the KR and having a higher salary against the cap, Canidate will be gone by the training camp cuts.

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