Carl Poston suspended by the NFLPA for two years

Get him. period.

He's young, talented, and wants to win.

I think a lot are missing the big picture here...

Let's say that the deal is done...Portis for Bailey and 2nd Rounder. Ok, so we have a stud RB...however, we have a huge hold in our secondary. You can't draft Sean Taylor at #5 now because he doesn't play Corner, and still have a need on the DLine. This could have easily been Stephen Jackson or Kevin Jones...

Look at the UFA CBs that are any good...Antoine Winfield, Terrell Buckley, Chris McAllister, Charles Woodson, Mario Edwards, Bobby Taylor, Troy Vincent, Juran Bolden, Fred Thomas, Ahmed Plummer, Shawn Springs. Ok, most of these guys are going back to their teams with new deals. However, the only CBs that would be able to hold Champ's jock are Taylor and Vincent...and one of them will resign with the Eagles. Woodson and Springs are head cases, McAllister will probably go back to the Ravens...and the rest would be a significant downgrade to Bailey.

I understand that Champ is as good as gone...but make a case to assure that you get someone of quality to replace him. Unless one of these UFAs are talking to the Skins, the Skins shouldn't be so ready to deal Bailey outta here.

The Jets deal is better than most of you think...if Bailey's gone anyways, what does it matter who we get for him, as long as it's quality.

Ellis is a very respectible DE. He's a pass rusher (something we need). Jordan is a major upgrade from Betts. He's been behind Curtis Martin, and the Jets O-Line was terrible last year (i wonder why)... Anthony Becht may or may not be worth a 2nd round pick, but is a solid TE, who catches and blocks. Jordan might be older, but would be a decent back.

However, with any deal, we still need to replace Bailey. Losing that 2nd round pick makes our draft pretty much non-existant...watch for the Skins to fall from the #5 to pick up other picks.

But remember that, assuming they bolster the D-line so we actually have a pass rush, we don't need a CB of Champ's caliber. Also, yes Taylor is not a CB, but drafting him would definitely bring the secondary as a whole back up to a very strong level, even with an average CB replacing Champ.

i heard just a few secs ago on espn news,that the new york football jets are offering up 3 players for champ.anDL named ellis,and 2 others.but apparently the skins want more.

Ya the 3 guys they mentioned are Ellis, Becht and Lamont Jordan.

Just saw on ESPN that it's pretty much a done deal. Both teams have to rework new contracts for Portis and Bailey but they believe it will happen. They said the Skins are getting the short end of the stick in the trade but Bailey wasn't going to come back anyway so they are gettin the best deal they can to get rid of Champ. Damn!!! I just got my daughter a Champ throwback jersey for her birthday. Maybe a Lavar jersey now, at least he should be around for awhile.
Glad to have the Warpath back again. I was getting worried, and bored stiff checking out the other sites. This one is Numero Uno!!!!!!!!!!

i just saw where fatass peter king is gonna be on pti.i hope tony and wilburn fry his overweight ugly a$$. :mad:

Maybe I'm just delusional with excitement over Portis, but I think this is an incredible deal for the Skins.. They are getting someone who will be a top 5-10 back for the next 5-8 years (barring injury of course).. Granted they are giving up one of the top 3 CB in the league, but who impacts the game more every Sunday? The RB gets 20-25 touches a game, a CB is involved in 7-8 plays on a busy day.. It's going to be hard for someone to convince me that a secondary of Bailey, Smoot, Ohalete and Bowen is better than Smoot, Springs or Winfield, Ohalete and Sean Taylor (who they'll draft at 5). Remember the impact Roy Williams of the (ugh) Cowboys had his first year, we should, he scored 2 TD on us! I would like for us to still have the 2nd round pick, but if that's what it takes then that's what it takes. We didn't play anyone with elite receivers in the division anyway so it's not like we need a shutdown corner 8 games a year. If we were in the Rams division, then it'd be more of a premium.. Cowboys-ball control, Eagles-west coast ball control, Giants-ball control under Coughlin.. A couple Snyder special signings and we should be good to go!

I think a lot are missing the big picture here...

Let's say that the deal is done...Portis for Bailey and 2nd Rounder. Ok, so we have a stud RB...however, we have a huge hold in our secondary. You can't draft Sean Taylor at #5 now because he doesn't play Corner, and still have a need on the DLine. This could have easily been Stephen Jackson or Kevin Jones...

Look at the UFA CBs that are any good...Antoine Winfield, Terrell Buckley, Chris McAllister, Charles Woodson, Mario Edwards, Bobby Taylor, Troy Vincent, Juran Bolden, Fred Thomas, Ahmed Plummer, Shawn Springs. Ok, most of these guys are going back to their teams with new deals. However, the only CBs that would be able to hold Champ's jock are Taylor and Vincent...and one of them will resign with the Eagles. Woodson and Springs are head cases, McAllister will probably go back to the Ravens...and the rest would be a significant downgrade to Bailey.

I understand that Champ is as good as gone...but make a case to assure that you get someone of quality to replace him. Unless one of these UFAs are talking to the Skins, the Skins shouldn't be so ready to deal Bailey outta here.

The Jets deal is better than most of you think...if Bailey's gone anyways, what does it matter who we get for him, as long as it's quality.

Ellis is a very respectible DE. He's a pass rusher (something we need). Jordan is a major upgrade from Betts. He's been behind Curtis Martin, and the Jets O-Line was terrible last year (i wonder why)... Anthony Becht may or may not be worth a 2nd round pick, but is a solid TE, who catches and blocks. Jordan might be older, but would be a decent back.

However, with any deal, we still need to replace Bailey. Losing that 2nd round pick makes our draft pretty much non-existant...watch for the Skins to fall from the #5 to pick up other picks.


Well said Bohnzie. Too few people on this board aren't looking at the big picture. A trade for Portis fills one need, and creates another...so that's a wash. It also does little to help with Cap relief. Gibbs is known for getting the most out of all of his players. He's been very highly respected by his players, and they go to bat for him. There are very few of his former players who'll make it into the hall of fame, and that's because he didn't believe in basing his game plan around one or 2 allstars.

As for Coles' contract, it's a done deal, and we'll have to live with it. That doesn't mean we should do it again!! Deion Sanders wanted to be paid up front too, and look where that got us. Those who think the Skins can afford to pay him big $$$ (in addition to already paying Arrington, Coles, Samuels, Brunnell and perhaps in a year or two Ramsey) must know something that I don't. Is the salary cap projected to go above 100 million in the next couple of years??

I'd still go with the Jets offer over Portis. Lamont Jordan runs a 4.29 40 and has Jamal Lewis size. Becht is a good (not great) TE, and like Jordan, can't really command the big bucks. Ellis, on the other hand would be a HUGE bolster to our D Line. Portis just isn't worth it unless Denver is willing to do an even swap for Bailey alone.....or if they "sweeten the pot" a bit.

I'd still go with the Jets offer over Portis. Lamont Jordan runs a 4.29 40 and has Jamal Lewis size. Becht is a good (not great) TE, and like Jordan, can't really command the big bucks. Ellis, on the other hand would be a HUGE bolster to our D Line. Portis just isn't worth it unless Denver is willing to do an even swap for Bailey alone.....or if they "sweeten the pot" a bit.

I don't think Jordan runs a 4.29 30 yard dash, dude is slow.. Plus, all the guys the Jets offered are in the final year of their contract so we'd be renting all of them or having to pay a WHOLE lot more money out to re-sign them..