Who starts at QB?

i dont think anyone can argue with the success.. of course its hard to say, but i think many of us would have liked to have maybe seen ramsey in the playoffs because of brunells bum knee.

well i guess there are two types of people in this world.

1) those who need closure ...

I really hate to get back into this but it bugs the hell out of me.. How was the way Ramsey treated 'a disgrace'? The 2 training camps that he flopped? The 2 pre-seasons he played crappily thru? The turnovers when he played in the regular season? The sacks because he held the ball for......ev......er....?

Guys, he didn't step up and grab the job, electrify the team, wow the coaches, establish that he was unquestionably, unequivocably THE MAN so please spare us the 'Ramsey never had a chance' bs..

If he came in and played like Elway or Favre (both of whom he's been compared to in this thread) then we wouldn't be having this discussion.. He came in and played like Gus Frerotte and his career path is following accordingly..

Marvelous post.

Hey PWNED, I have the answer to your signature below your posts - i bet it would win me THE prize too.

well i guess there are two types of people in this world.

1) those who need closure ...
Finish, damnit!!!

I really hate to get back into this but it bugs the hell out of me.. How was the way Ramsey treated 'a disgrace'? The 2 training camps that he flopped? The 2 pre-seasons he played crappily thru? The turnovers when he played in the regular season? The sacks because he held the ball for......ev......er....?

Guys, he didn't step up and grab the job, electrify the team, wow the coaches, establish that he was unquestionably, unequivocably THE MAN so please spare us the 'Ramsey never had a chance' bs..

If he came in and played like Elway or Favre (both of whom he's been compared to in this thread) then we wouldn't be having this discussion.. He came in and played like Gus Frerotte and his career path is following accordingly..

I gotta agree with Schneed. That post really summarizes the feelings a lot of us have about Ramsey. Especially the part about him following the career path of Frerotte. That's my fear (for lack of a better word) about what Ramsey's career will be. He'll be steady for a long time, but this is as good as he'll be...Of course, I could be wrong

I agree. Let me also add something to this - I personally think one of the greatest if not the greatest decision of 2005 was the decision to pull Ramsey and replace him with Brunell. It took a lot of courage for Gibbs to go with his instinct which went against the conventional reasoning of the masses- this was really the first time he did this since he has unretired. I know how there are some that disagree with his treatment of and decisions on ramsey, but I can't argue with the success of 2005.

Agreed. Ramsey got replaced. Did he get as much of a chance to prove himself as Brunell did? No. That's because Brunell already proved himself in Jacksonville. Ramsey is not proven yet. So Gibbs yanked him against Chicago, and Brunell's prior experience in Jacksonville gave Gibbs a good idea that he'd succeed again here, and what do you know, he was right.

A young Mark Brunell once got the same shot that Ramsey got from Spurrier and Gibbs. Brunell got a shot to be a starting quarterback, and in his first full season he took the league by storm and took the Jags to the championship game. Ramsey came into the league, showed courage, gained respect, but in the end was only mediocre.

Brunell has established that he can lead a team, that's why Gibbs went to him.

Hey PWNED, I have the answer to your signature below your posts - i bet it would win me THE prize too.

It's Lois Lane

i am to superman as Lois Lane is to clark kent.

Because both of you were secret lovers to both. J/K :) I wanted to type something funnier, but I know this is a family site :)

Finish, damnit!!!

:biggthump thanks brud. i had to have SOMEONE say that.

It's Lois Lane

i am to superman as Lois Lane is to clark kent.

Because both of you were secret lovers to both. J/K :) I wanted to type something funnier, but I know this is a family site :)

yes the people that DIDNT want the prize thought it would be funny to send me a PM of that too. drew54 happened to answer me correctly and will be receiving an auto'd card in the mail. :)