Who starts at QB?

if we can only get a 7th, keep him and open the competition :P who cares.

there is no way collins is the #2, and if campbell isn't better than him, why on earth did we watse a #1 on him?

he came in early and was studying the playbook immediately. He works hard and wants to be prepared, so lets see what he has.

Campbell is the # 2 QB and it will not be that unless he fails in the perseason!

I apologize in advance to anyone this post might annoy or if this momentarily brings back to life...the old ass tired Ramsey-Brunell debate.

but let me just say that if Cambell is truly gonna remain our number 3 then i dont know wtf they brought in todd collins for.

It is my personal belief that Ramsey given the weapons we now have...could...(and i think and have thought for a long time) should be the guy to lead us deep into the playoffs. I just really wish he had gotten a shot here.

But i feel that every single thing that has been done with Ramsey has been done completely backwards... Like even now, regarding his impending departure from the skins...the skins have now signed a 3rd QB...making it painfully obvious around the league that Ramsey will not be here next year.

This sends a message to potential trade partners that they can offer next to nothing or even nothing at all for ramsey...because they now believe we will just release him soon anyway. So what ever happend to getting fair value for the kid.

i personally believe he is better than Brunell (though i understand and of course respect people who disagree with me on that point). However, i dont think it is far fetched to assert that he is probably better than Jason Cambell at this point. And certainly better than freaking Todd Collins...

So all in all, i guess as a final mini tribute to Ramsey...i just wanted to say one last time that i really liked and believed in the kid...and i really wish we would keep our 3 QB's from last year...and actually allow Ramsey to compete with Brunell for the starting job next season. I truly believe he could lead this new and improved team to a fantastic season, and an exciting playoff chase...

Ok, sorry once again to those who didnt want to have to read that...but thats just my two cents...and i guess if you dont appreciate reading about ramsey...well you can take comfort in the fact that these "silly" arguments wont be around for very much longer as i imagine ramsey will be gone in the coming days.


ABSOFREAKINLUTLY!

I apologize in advance to anyone this post might annoy or if this momentarily brings back to life...the old ass tired Ramsey-Brunell debate.

I agree with your feelings on Ramsey but I've turned the page on the idea that someday he'd succeed here. Joe Gibbs doesn't like his game. Joe's not a good coaching fit for a young gunslinger who needs patience.

With all the FA signings, I'd like to get very optimistic about the 2006 season but I have serious doubts about our QB situation.

Last year, our passing game was customized for a 35 year-old Mark Brunell who still has the instincts of a scrambler but doesn't have the legs anymore. From the Seattle game through the San Franscisco blowout, Mark and Santana put up some amazing yardage numbers but, after that, their production fell off. At the end, in the weaker part of our schedule, we were very dependent on the running game and defensive turnovers.

At this stage of his career, Brunell's game is very limited and easily defended. Furthermore, Al Saunders' scheme utilizes a pocket passer. Mark doesn't fit the system.

I hope we didn't bring in Al Saunders to adjust his scheme for a 36 year-old ex-scrambler.

Even if the media rumors that Campbell isn't ready are false, how optimistic can we get about the potential of an offense with a QB who has never taken a snap in an NFL game where real bullets were being fired?

I always thought that Ramsey would do well following in the footsteps of Favre in GB.
But with a new regime and Favre perhaps gone as well I wouldn't wish anyone that route. If Ramsey leaves I just hope we get value for him.
QB 1 Brunell 2 Campbell 3 Collins

I think Brunell starts the season but Campbell has a chance at finishing it.. I don't listen to the mediots who say Campbell isn't ready.. They surely haven't been in practices, in the film room, in meetings so they have no way of telling.. I'd be suprised if Campbell doesn't start at least one preseason game and get significant time with the starters in another.. Collins is strictly an insurance policy/another knowledgeable voice for Campbell/Brunell about the offense.. I'll be glad when we can put the Ramsey stuff to bed once and for all..

I apologize in advance to anyone this post might annoy or if this momentarily brings back to life...the old ass tired Ramsey-Brunell debate.

but let me just say that if Cambell is truly gonna remain our number 3 then i dont know wtf they brought in todd collins for.

It is my personal belief that Ramsey given the weapons we now have...could...(and i think and have thought for a long time) should be the guy to lead us deep into the playoffs. I just really wish he had gotten a shot here.

But i feel that every single thing that has been done with Ramsey has been done completely backwards... Like even now, regarding his impending departure from the skins...the skins have now signed a 3rd QB...making it painfully obvious around the league that Ramsey will not be here next year.

This sends a message to potential trade partners that they can offer next to nothing or even nothing at all for ramsey...because they now believe we will just release him soon anyway. So what ever happend to getting fair value for the kid.

i personally believe he is better than Brunell (though i understand and of course respect people who disagree with me on that point). However, i dont think it is far fetched to assert that he is probably better than Jason Cambell at this point. And certainly better than freaking Todd Collins...

So all in all, i guess as a final mini tribute to Ramsey...i just wanted to say one last time that i really liked and believed in the kid...and i really wish we would keep our 3 QB's from last year...and actually allow Ramsey to compete with Brunell for the starting job next season. I truly believe he could lead this new and improved team to a fantastic season, and an exciting playoff chase...

Ok, sorry once again to those who didnt want to have to read that...but thats just my two cents...and i guess if you dont appreciate reading about ramsey...well you can take comfort in the fact that these "silly" arguments wont be around for very much longer as i imagine ramsey will be gone in the coming days.

I agree completely. Patrick was (and may still be) an excellent raw talent. He's tough, he's smart and he's strong. He tried to force throws where receivers were not getting separation and was picked frequently. But that was a problem with the receivers, not the QB. He was young and wanted to make plays. With the new WR talent on the squad, he'd look like the second coming of Elway if given half a REAL chance. I will miss not seeing Ramsey blossom in a Redskin uniform. Like Lavar, he deserved better.

We'll open the season like this:

1. Brunell
2. Campbell
3. Collins

Whether we'll close the season like that is the question.

I apologize in advance to anyone this post might annoy or if this momentarily brings back to life...the old ass tired Ramsey-Brunell debate.

but let me just say that if Cambell is truly gonna remain our number 3 then i dont know wtf they brought in todd collins for.

It is my personal belief that Ramsey given the weapons we now have...could...(and i think and have thought for a long time) should be the guy to lead us deep into the playoffs. I just really wish he had gotten a shot here.

But i feel that every single thing that has been done with Ramsey has been done completely backwards... Like even now, regarding his impending departure from the skins...the skins have now signed a 3rd QB...making it painfully obvious around the league that Ramsey will not be here next year.

This sends a message to potential trade partners that they can offer next to nothing or even nothing at all for ramsey...because they now believe we will just release him soon anyway. So what ever happend to getting fair value for the kid.

i personally believe he is better than Brunell (though i understand and of course respect people who disagree with me on that point). However, i dont think it is far fetched to assert that he is probably better than Jason Cambell at this point. And certainly better than freaking Todd Collins...

So all in all, i guess as a final mini tribute to Ramsey...i just wanted to say one last time that i really liked and believed in the kid...and i really wish we would keep our 3 QB's from last year...and actually allow Ramsey to compete with Brunell for the starting job next season. I truly believe he could lead this new and improved team to a fantastic season, and an exciting playoff chase...

Ok, sorry once again to those who didnt want to have to read that...but thats just my two cents...and i guess if you dont appreciate reading about ramsey...well you can take comfort in the fact that these "silly" arguments wont be around for very much longer as i imagine ramsey will be gone in the coming days.If everyone in the league saw what you might see in Ramsey he would be gone by now. He is a low price pick up for another team and they are not going after him. I thought that a team by now might have picked up Ramsey just to bring in a QB that could compete for the starting job and if not the starter a solid back up. Maybe other teams see what Gibbs see in Ramsey and are not willing to take the chance on him. He will find a new team but I think it will be as a back up for the first year atleast.

I apologize in advance to anyone this post might annoy or if this momentarily brings back to life...the old ass tired Ramsey-Brunell debate.

but let me just say that if Cambell is truly gonna remain our number 3 then i dont know wtf they brought in todd collins for.

It is my personal belief that Ramsey given the weapons we now have...could...(and i think and have thought for a long time) should be the guy to lead us deep into the playoffs. I just really wish he had gotten a shot here.

But i feel that every single thing that has been done with Ramsey has been done completely backwards... Like even now, regarding his impending departure from the skins...the skins have now signed a 3rd QB...making it painfully obvious around the league that Ramsey will not be here next year.

This sends a message to potential trade partners that they can offer next to nothing or even nothing at all for ramsey...because they now believe we will just release him soon anyway. So what ever happend to getting fair value for the kid.

i personally believe he is better than Brunell (though i understand and of course respect people who disagree with me on that point). However, i dont think it is far fetched to assert that he is probably better than Jason Cambell at this point. And certainly better than freaking Todd Collins...

So all in all, i guess as a final mini tribute to Ramsey...i just wanted to say one last time that i really liked and believed in the kid...and i really wish we would keep our 3 QB's from last year...and actually allow Ramsey to compete with Brunell for the starting job next season. I truly believe he could lead this new and improved team to a fantastic season, and an exciting playoff chase...

Ok, sorry once again to those who didnt want to have to read that...but thats just my two cents...and i guess if you dont appreciate reading about ramsey...well you can take comfort in the fact that these "silly" arguments wont be around for very much longer as i imagine ramsey will be gone in the coming days.

Ugh, no offense man and my rant isn't directed at you specifically, but when can we finally drop this debate??

Ramsey is on his way out, his time here is done. He wasn't drafted by Gibbs, and Gibbs obviously doesn't think as highly of Ramsey as some of his fanboys do. Why do we have to keep rehashing this every other day?

If everyone in the league saw what you might see in Ramsey he would be gone by now. He is a low price pick up for another team and they are not going after him. I thought that a team by now might have picked up Ramsey just to bring in a QB that could compete for the starting job and if not the starter a solid back up. Maybe other teams see what Gibbs see in Ramsey and are not willing to take the chance on him. He will find a new team but I think it will be as a back up for the first year atleast.

some teams (like cinncy) HAVE gone after him, but he's refused to visit them.