Prisco, Judge Rip Redskins re: Randle El's Contract

Redskins fans....we must be used to the criticism because we are known to pay for players that didnt yield a playoff apperance. So we should shake off the haters and know that Gibbs is controlling D. Snyders money and who care how much we paid as long as we are "under the cap" and these players arent fossils, this is a youth movement.

i agree that we overpaid for him...we gave him the same amount of money as moss

didnt the bears only offer him $20 million for 6 years so then we offer him $31 million for 7 years

if that was our main competition we didnt have to go that high

we had to outbid chicago's contract, and the fact that chicago was his hometown, and the fact that he'd be a #2 there and a #3 or #4 here.

and whoever said it was a seller's market is right. the FA WRs suck, the draft WRs suck. either you have guys or you don't. hopefully BOTH of our WR aquisitions can step it up. otherwise randle-el is just a really expensive punt return guy.

I think gibbs might be gearing up to build a SB winner this year and blow it up in a couple years... i'm really not sure yet.

I think gibbs might be gearing up to build a SB winner this year and blow it up in a couple years... i'm really not sure yet.

Didn't we try that before?

Below are just a few of the comments made about the Coles for Moss trade last season:

1. The opinions on the Redskins vary, and I’m thinking this is a 7-9, 8-8 or even a 9-7 team depending on the play of whoever is the QB. Writers like Len Pastabelly, Pete Prisco, and Dr. Z have all clubbed the Redskins and penciled them in for a disastrous season. It’s obvious that at least some of these writers have a personal vendetta against Daniel Snyder’s Redskins. In Pastabelly’s case, I’ve heard that he has it in for the skins because he found out about Gibbs’ hiring, and was lied to by Skins officials when he tried to confirm it, only to be scooped by Washington Post writer Mark Maske. I have no idea is this is true; it’s just what I’ve heard. Regardless, it shouldn’t cloud the judgment of people who get paid to report about, and analyze teams. Back to the team. I think the Redskins ground attack will be an absolute force, as Clinton Portis has looked like a monster this preseason. He’s put on 20 pounds, but has lost none of the speed or elusiveness that makes him special. John Jansen returns healthy (even though he recently broke his thumb; a mere scratch for an old-school player like Jansen), and Chris Samuels appears to be reinvigorated. The Skins WRs are nothing special, and if teams are in fact able to stop Portis, I think Santana Moss and David Patten will be hard-pressed to take the pressure of the running game, and that’s where the QB comes in.


2. Will Joe Gibbs get it turned around in Washington? No, and, trust me, it hurts to say it. The classy Gibbs was a great coach who pulled the most out of his clubs in the 1980s. But that was two decades ago, and Gibbs last year seemed out of step with the times. I know, the Redskins changed their offense and blocking schemes, but does anyone really believe this team is better with Santana Moss instead of Laveranues Coles? Without Fred Smoot? Without Antonio Pierce? Plus, what's the deal with Sean Taylor? Then there's this: If the organization doesn't believe it can win with Patrick Ramsey, as the draft of first-rounder Jason Campbell suggests, why should we?

3. And just how much damage has been done? Plenty. And I am not referring to the trade down from Coles to Santana Moss who will be his replacement, though that is a significant dropoff. Moss is to small to be a durable or effective WR over the course of a season. He’s a wonderful deep threat when healthy, though I would use him from the slot in 3 WR sets a lot. He lacks physical courage and generally will be exactly what he was in New York, and erratic and undependable player.
Throwing salt on the wound, Moss has been sitting out of voluntary workouts while demanding a new deal from the Redskins. Take this slow. Moss, who is an average player AT BEST, and has done NOTHING with his new team to merit a big pay day is creating a bad impression with this new team by sitting out of these workouts while demanding a new deal that the team cannot afford to give him until June 1st at the earliest (and even then it would be a bad idea). I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.




Okay, now how much credibility do we really have to give these morons in March? How silly they look today.

Didn't we try that before?

yeah, and it ended badly. at least its young talent this time. lloyd is mainly character issues, i think he has the talent (does he have the drive? will he whine?) and R-el has the character stuff, but might not be talented enough for his contract.

anyways, we'll see. if the cap explodes again its not a problem, but the more huge contracts you pass out, the more guys you have to let go once the salaries start going up.

socio, those are great quotes. #1 isn't far off until the last sentence, but most people here thought the same thing.

#3 "He lacks physical courage and generally will be exactly what he was in New York, and that is erratic and undependable"

that one kinda pisses you off though.

Bet they said something like that when we signed Santana Moss.

Wait & see, then laugh.

One thing I seriously don't understand is how they can question Danny moves recently. They were all proved wrong with Santana and other recent moves. Do they really think the Redskins and Dan Synder are stupid with their moves? Do they really think we are gonna be over the cap? I mean come on,our team has plently of people working on the numbers and potential moves for the next 10 years, and I'm sure they are all consulted before big moves like this are made. They make it sound like Danny boy is the lucky rich boy at the candy shop who just buys everything that looks good without thinking..I mean damn, I am so sick and tired of people like this giving him shit. Yeah he made some mistakes in the past, but he has learned, there is a reason why he has been such a successful businessman in the past, he learns from his mistakes, and plus he has plently of other brillant people employed helping him out. He has and always will calculate and carryout what would be the best for the team. Dan has done all he can, and the rest is truely on fate and how things play out.

One thing I seriously don't understand is how they can question Danny moves recently. They were all proved wrong with Santana and other recent moves. Do they really think the Redskins and Dan Synder are stupid with their moves? Do they really think we are gonna be over the cap? I mean come on,our team has plently of people working on the numbers and potential moves for the next 10 years, and I'm sure they are all consulted before big moves like this are made. They make it sound like Danny boy is the lucky rich boy at the candy shop who just buys everything that looks good without thinking..I mean damn, I am so sick and tired of people like this giving him shit. Yeah he made some mistakes in the past, but he has learned, there is a reason why he has been such a successful businessman in the past, he learns from his mistakes, and plus he has plently of other brillant people employed helping him out. He has and always will calculate and carryout what would be the best for the team. Dan has done all he can, and the rest is truely on fate and how things play out.

3 years ;) maybe 4, i doubt 10 though. the tv contract and cba would expire, the cap and labor situation would be unknown, and the players to scout would be in 5th or 6th grade.

comparing moss's deal with either of our new receivers is just not fair. Moss is underpaid for the production that he puts up. He had comparable numbers to lloyd when he came here. If moss has another top 3 WR season then he deserves more but as of now he has only had one great season with us and will need to do more before we can say that randle el and Lloyd don't deserve similar contracts that moss got when he got here. Moss is worth a hell of a lot more now than when we signed him and I don't think he will hold out just yet. if he has another great season i have no problem giving him a new contract expecially if he wants it on incentives.