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Paintrain 03-01-2006, 09:29 AM With the CBA mess going on and the rumors that we may have as many as 20 rookies on the roster to get under the cap (which seems absolutely ridiculous to me), who are the players that we HAVE to keep around in order to at least compete in '06? My list (without doing cap calculations, someone smarter than me can tell me if it works) is:
QB-Brunell, Campbell
RB-Portis, Nemo
FB/HB-Cooley, Sellers
TE-?
LT-Samuels
LG-Wilson
C-Rabach
RG-Thomas
RT-Jansen
WR-Moss, Patten
P-Frost
K-?
DE-Daniels
DT-Griffin
DT-Saleva'a
DE-Evans
LB-Clemons
LB-Marshall
LB-Washington
CB-Springs
FS-Taylor
SS-Stoutmire
CB-Rogers
PR/KR-Brown
That's 25 players and with a 45 man roster that assumes the rest would be rookies.. That leaves us with NO veteran depth.. Additions/subtractions/other options?
jdlea 03-01-2006, 09:33 AM I think the thing that could really hurt us, if we went with that group, would be that we would have Nemo backing up Portis, alone. I don't know if I have that much faith in a guy who didn't really see the field this year. I don't think that he can back Portis up by himself. I think we really need Rock or Betts on the roster.
I also think that, if need be, we could get by without Philip Daniels.
onlydarksets 03-01-2006, 09:38 AM I don't think you can be competitive without at least 1-2 veteran backups in the following:
O-line
D-line
LB
Secondary
I don't necessarily fear rotating rookies into the game. I fear 2-3 rookie starters. People are going to get hurt, and we need some vets to back them up.
Huddle 03-01-2006, 09:58 AM It would probably be a mistake to try to be competitive.
I think you'd have to look at it as sacrificing the 2006 season and lop off top-salaried vets who are on the downside of their careers: Brunell, Samuels, Springs, Daniels...keep as much young talent as possible.
That Guy 03-01-2006, 09:59 AM With the CBA mess going on and the rumors that we may have as many as 20 rookies on the roster to get under the cap (which seems absolutely ridiculous to me), who are the players that we HAVE to keep around in order to at least compete in '06? My list (without doing cap calculations, someone smarter than me can tell me if it works) is:
QB-Brunell, Campbell
RB-Portis, Nemo
FB/HB-Cooley, Sellers
TE-?
LT-Samuels
LG-Wilson
C-Rabach
RG-Thomas
RT-Jansen
WR-Moss, Patten
P-Frost
K-?
DE-Daniels
DT-Griffin
DT-Saleva'a
DE-Evans
LB-Clemons
LB-Marshall
LB-Washington
CB-Springs
FS-Taylor
SS-Stoutmire
CB-Rogers
PR/KR-Brown
That's 25 players and with a 45 man roster that assumes the rest would be rookies.. That leaves us with NO veteran depth.. Additions/subtractions/other options?
wilson got cut before the season, it'd be doc (or a rookie). evans is gone (FA, can't resign), stoutmire is gone (FA), brown is gone, frost is gone (both are too expensive at their vet mins due to year played).
we also get 7 draftees, so maybe toss doc and replace him with a rookie 2nd rounder, punter has to be a first year guy (koch), we have a 1st year kicker on roster already.
the skins can draft a TE and OG in the 2nd and 3rd, keep doc and get a CB in the 5th (gerrick McPherson)... then see whose left in the 6th for DL or WR depth :/ not the best situation. our DL is going to kinda suck though griffin is good and daniels is okay (if he can be kept).
Schneed10 03-01-2006, 10:05 AM If there is no CBA extension, as appears will be the case, we will enter the final uncapped season.
The following players will NOT be considered potential cuts by the Redskins, because cutting them will cost more than keeping them:
Shawn Springs
Clinton Portis
Mark Brunell
Randy Thomas
Cornelius Griffin
Sean Taylor
Santana Moss
Carlos Rogers
Jason Campbell
Lavar Arrington
Everyone else would get consideration for the axe, because cutting them would represent a savings. For the rest of the roster, here are the players with the potential to get cut, in an order based on my perception of most likely to be cut to the least likely to be cut.
Player - Cap Savings
Matt Bowen - $2 M
Brandon Noble - $1.7 M
Cory Raymer - $1 M
Walt Harris - $2 M
Patrick Ramsey - $1.7 M (assuming trade)
John Hall - $1.2 M
James Thrash - $875 K
Pierson Prioleau - $550 K
David Patten - $650 K
Taylor Jacobs - $100 K
Tom Tupa - $600 K
Mike Sellers - $500 K
Reynaldo Wynn - $400 K
Casey Rabach - $1.1 M
Ladell Betts - $550 K
Manny White - $100 K
Joe Salavea'a - $500 K
Phillip Daniels - $800 K
Lemar Marshall - $400 K
Derrick Dockery - $450 K
Jon Jansen - $800 K
Marcus Washington - $500 K
Chris Samuels - $300 K
Chris Cooley - $200 K
So I'm saying Bowen is the most likely to be cut, and Cooley is the least likely. If I were GM and I had to make cuts, I'd go straight down the list from the top until I got under the cap. Hopefully people restructure enough so that we don't have to go too far down the list.
All the other players on the roster don't have signing bonuses, they just have the league minimum base salaries based on their level of experience. Guys like Ryan Boschetti could be replaced by rookies to save about $100 K apiece.
That Guy 03-01-2006, 10:11 AM lavar would save money cause of the roster bonus he wouldn't get. cutting the filler contracts (vet min guys) would also save nearly 6mill$ in space.
you'd lose money on TJ cause of his replacement cost. no way he goes. same with white and cooley.
That Guy 03-01-2006, 10:13 AM Here's a basic outline that could keep most starters (http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=11183&page=2)
Schneed10 03-01-2006, 10:22 AM lavar would save money cause of the roster bonus he wouldn't get. cutting the filler contracts (vet min guys) would also save nearly 6mill$ in space.
you'd lose money on TJ cause of his replacement cost. no way he goes. same with white and cooley.
On Lavar, the remaining portion of his signing bonus is so great that it outweighs the $6 million roster bonus. If you cut Lavar, his remaining prorated signing bonus will accelerate and hit us with $12.8 million in 2006. Keeping him, even paying him the roster bonus, will result in a hit of only $12 million.
Hopefully they can get that roster bonus down in some sort of restructure.
You're right about TJ, replacing him even with a rookie would be a net hurt to our cap. And White and Cooley are so far down the list that I don't think the Skins would ever have to get that deep in their cuts.
That Guy 03-01-2006, 10:31 AM On Lavar, the remaining portion of his signing bonus is so great that it outweighs the $6 million roster bonus. If you cut Lavar, his remaining prorated signing bonus will accelerate and hit us with $12.8 million in 2006. Keeping him, even paying him the roster bonus, will result in a hit of only $12 million.
Hopefully they can get that roster bonus down in some sort of restructure.
You're right about TJ, replacing him even with a rookie would be a net hurt to our cap. And White and Cooley are so far down the list that I don't think the Skins would ever have to get that deep in their cuts.
white and cooley would both be negative cuts.
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