CBA talks have broken down again

Here is something that know one has said about the new CBA formula that has been put forth. It dosen't take in to account debt on stadiums that some team own like us. It only takes in to account money made! Not money going out! Many of the so called lower money making teams do not own thier on stadiums like we do or New England!

Well, let's not worry about it too much yet. Just remember, we're not the only team that will have to deal with this. We have Gibbs on our side...we have a great coaching staff. That is one thing that won't change this coming season. We might lose some players we would rather keep, but it could be a blessing in disguise...you just never know.

Assuming the extension doesn't get done and our roster blows up, I will be heart broken. However, as you smartly point out, we've got a great coaching staff. I guess it is best to have the cap blow up while Gibbs, Williams, Saunders, and Bugel are here. If anyone can mitigate dramatic losses in talent, it is those guys. While they won't be able to totally mask the deficiencies, they'll do a good job. Good points...

can someone please explain the 30% rule in common terms? what are the immediate problems that this will bring up for teams, basicly what happens, i am so confused!!!

I believe the 30% rule forbids a player's base salary from increasing by 30% from season to season. So, while teams backload deals, they cannot pay a player the minimum the first 6 years of a deal and put $50 million in the last year. The 30% rule effectively hampers a team's cap "creativity" - thereby forcing teams to release guys they don't want to release.

Anyone else, please correct me if I am wrong (which is quite possible).

Assuming the extension doesn't get done and our roster blows up, I will be heart broken. However, as you smartly point out, we've got a great coaching staff. I guess it is best to have the cap blow up while Gibbs, Williams, Saunders, and Bugel are here. If anyone can mitigate dramatic losses in talent, it is those guys. While they won't be able to totally mask the deficiencies, they'll do a good job. Good points...

Gibbs did a lot with guys off the street in a strike year!!!! :headbange

We all know that Matt Bowen, Walt Harris, John Hall, James Thrash, Tom Tupa, Brandon Noble, and Patrick Ramsey are going to be cap cuts or traded. We can easily recover from those losses. Cutting or trading those guys and a few other guys you’ve never heard of will likely save the team about $12 million. We’ll likely save another few million on restructured deals (i.e. Randy Thomas, LaVar Arrington, and maybe Mark Brunell).

Even after cutting or trading the above-mentioned players and restructuring a few deals, we’ll likely need to shave off another $4-$6 million. Unfortunately, to get the other $4-6 million, we’ll have to lose some big name players.

The big names players who might be cut barring an extension to the CBA are: Jon Jansen (saves $800K), Marcus Washington (saves $500K), Reynaldo Wynn (saves $400K), Casey Rabach (saves $1.1M), Philip Daniels (saves $800K), David Patten (saves $650K), Joe Salave’a (saves $500K), Ladell Betts (saves $550K), Lemar Marshall (saves $400K). Those cuts would save us roughly $6 million.

Who would cut a player of Jansen’s caliber when it would just save us $800K? The answer: a team that has no options and is FORCED by the cap to make such cuts.

We all know that Matt Bowen, Walt Harris, John Hall, James Thrash, Tom Tupa, Brandon Noble, and Patrick Ramsey are going to be cap cuts or traded. We can easily recover from those losses. Cutting or trading those guys and a few other guys you’ve never heard of will likely save the team about $12 million. We’ll likely save another few million on restructured deals (i.e. Randy Thomas, LaVar Arrington, and maybe Mark Brunell).

Even after cutting or trading the above-mentioned players and restructuring a few deals, we’ll likely need to shave off another $4-$6 million. Unfortunately, to get the other $4-6 million, we’ll have to lose some big name players.

The big names players who might be cut barring an extension to the CBA are: Jon Jansen (saves $800K), Marcus Washington (saves $500K), Reynaldo Wynn (saves $400K), Casey Rabach (saves $1.1M), Philip Daniels (saves $800K), David Patten (saves $650K), Joe Salave’a (saves $500K), Ladell Betts (saves $550K), Lemar Marshall (saves $400K). Those cuts would save us roughly $6 million.

Who would cut a player of Jansen’s caliber when it would just save us $800K? The answer: a team that has no options and is FORCED by the cap to make such cuts.

Why not cut Burnell and keep Ramsey???? Ramsey has a smaller cap then Burnell right?

Hey Canuck,

If you see this, could you answer the following question? The cap sheets that we have up shows the veterans' cap figures. I understand that veterans' salaries are higher than their cap figures since teams get cap "rebates" if they sign older veterans. Do your cap figures reflect these "rebates?"

its only for guys over 450k a year... if they sign with under a 25k bonus and vet min (which could be up over 800k), they don't count over 450k or so.

we're going to need to use a lot of 310k and 235k players to fill out the roster though, even 450k is too much.

This was posted on ES, I dont really know how realistic this is, but heres a read....

http://redskins.scout.com/2/501659.html

that plan is complete bullshit. it disregards the 30% rule and assume that nearly 20 players are all going to be perfectly willing to let the skins butcher their contracts and take money from them.

I believe the 30% rule forbids a player's base salary from increasing by 30% from season to season. So, while teams backload deals, they cannot pay a player the minimum the first 6 years of a deal and put $50 million in the last year. The 30% rule effectively hampers a team's cap "creativity" - thereby forcing teams to release guys they don't want to release.

Anyone else, please correct me if I am wrong (which is quite possible).

thats right. if you pay him 4mill this year, you can't pay him more than 5.2mill next year etc. it takes effect this year (since there's no cap next season) to prevent a parade of $1 contracts and the formation of super teams (yankees) right before the cap expires.

Why not cut Burnell and keep Ramsey???? Ramsey has a smaller cap then Burnell right?

ugh, no. brunell cost 300k more to cut, ramsey saves 1.6mill... all of the questions here were answered in the cap analysis thread :( guess i'll cut and paste it.