If the extension to the CBA can't get done, then what?

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44deisel44
02-25-2006, 11:47 AM
it could be pushed back... you can look at the cap sheets to see some examples... but guys like brunell would cosst 300k to cut, jacobs (who not only sucks, but is also a huge pansy) only saves 117k to cut (and rookie vet min is 230k, meaning that keeping him is the cheapest way to fill that roster spot).

bowen, harris, noble, ramsey, raymer, hall, tupa (who may still have years left, but is expensive and lost last season to IR), among others... beyond that, wynn would save 396k, thrash would save 875k.

guys that you'd like to keep that could save money (and this is why its a big problem, look how little you save with each starter you cut):
jansen: 800k
samuels: 300k
M washington: 500k
P daniels: 800k
patten: 650k
rabach: 1.15mill
prioleau: 550k
salave'a: 500k
betts: 550k
lemar marshall: 400k
sellers: 500k
dockery: 460k
cooley: 220k

and that's about it... there's some nobodies that can be ditched for much younger nobodies to save 100-200k per roster spot, but making up the difference with the tiny amount of savings made by cutting starters is going to be harsh... you have to cut down even more to have space to sign rookies from the draft, and we're going to need them. Maybe we'll have to have a fire sale for draft picks :/ cause its kinda hard to make 8million pop out of that list up there.
Those sound like release fees. Thats what we have to pay not save. We would save what their contract pays this year, but i could be wrong.

44deisel44
02-25-2006, 11:53 AM
Doesn't it depend on what agreements are met just as much as 1 being made?

Yet cba is through next season so how does that change our situation now anyway?:insane: :censored:

That Guy
02-25-2006, 11:57 AM
It's simple, with no CBA the Skins are gonna have to cut quite a few guys and do some major restructures.

Should be an interesting week leading up to March 3rd.

Here's a question though, could the Skins cut a player and then immmediately re-sign them? There must be something that wouldn't allow that I would guess.

I'm thinking that if the Skins do have to cut a bunch of guys, they'll try to re-sign some of them as soon as possible.

This article (http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=11150) from the Post sums things up pretty well

you can't cause the players wont go for it. The skins would have to eat thier release fee AND pay them a new contract with bonus on top of it. All they can do is hope that some players will literally give back money promised to them for both 2006 and probably 2007 as well (cause of the 30% rule).

That Guy
02-25-2006, 11:58 AM
Doesn't it depend on what agreements are met just as much as 1 being made?

Yet cba is through next season so how does that change our situation now anyway?:insane: :censored:

extensive rules on the year before a dead cba exist so teams can't just give everyone 1$ contracts this year and 20mill$ next year.

That Guy
02-25-2006, 12:03 PM
Those sound like release fees. Thats what we have to pay not save. We would save what their contract pays this year, but i could be wrong.

no, the release fees are up to 5million for the guys i listed, those figures are (release fees - 2006 salary = savings). marcus washignton for example, counts 5.162mill against the skins cap in 2006 (even though he only makes 1.5mill base salary), but releasing him would cost 4.6mill on the cap, saving an amazing 500k :P

signing bonus proration etc are all screwed up due to being so close to an expiring cba. If a new cba gets done, re-working all the bonuses to pro-rate over the entire reamaining length of the contract will save a ton of room. right now that can't be done though.

44deisel44
02-25-2006, 12:31 PM
no, the release fees are up to 5million for the guys i listed, those figures are (release fees - 2006 salary = savings). marcus washignton for example, counts 5.162mill against the skins cap in 2006 (even though he only makes 1.5mill base salary), but releasing him would cost 4.6mill on the cap, saving an amazing 500k :P

signing bonus proration etc are all screwed up due to being so close to an expiring cba. If a new cba gets done, re-working all the bonuses to pro-rate over the entire reamaining length of the contract will save a ton of room. right now that can't be done though.
Thanks Guy! You helped me out alot.........can't say you cheered me up............
But thanx. :biggthump

wheeler
02-25-2006, 12:50 PM
, but i could be wrong.:rofl: cousin bite your toungue ,did i understand you correctly you could be what ???Looks like we'll be depending on coaching and paying lots of cap :oink: penalties

MTK
02-25-2006, 01:14 PM
you can't cause the players wont go for it. The skins would have to eat thier release fee AND pay them a new contract with bonus on top of it. All they can do is hope that some players will literally give back money promised to them for both 2006 and probably 2007 as well (cause of the 30% rule).

but if there's no cap why would the Skins care about paying all that extra $$?

That Guy
02-25-2006, 01:36 PM
but if there's no cap why would the Skins care about paying all that extra $$?

i must misunderstand what your asking... i thought you ment cutting them now and resigning them right away... you mean cutting them now and resigning them in 2007 after they've been picked up by other teams?

please clarify.

MTK
02-25-2006, 02:03 PM
i must misunderstand what your asking... i thought you ment cutting them now and resigning them right away... you mean cutting them now and resigning them in 2007 after they've been picked up by other teams?

please clarify.

I meant cut them now and then sign them again right away, I thought I saw an article somewhere that mentioned this possibility.

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