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That Guy
02-20-2006, 08:38 PM
We have painted ouselves into a corner with Lavar, obviously our big spending is finally coming home to roost, Lavar, Brunell, are 2 of the biggest wastes of money we have. I believe we should cut ties with him, not only can we replace him with a rookie, but we could upgrade, I am absolutly comfortable with Clemons full time if he returns healthy.

We have to get the cap under control, although I feel we are prepared to take the next step to legitamate SB contender, our cap this year may not allow it, this may be a year that we go with Campbell from day 1, and send Brunell packing, I say we turn Campbell loose and see what we have, we can then have our cap under control for the following season, Lavar is a waste, and Brunell is not the future, time to make some tough cuts for the good of our future.

its nice that you think clemons is ready to go... he's been decent on rushing the passer, but i haven't seen him in coverage etc at all. and what happens if he gets hurt? you need a reserve and without lavar we'd need to get somebody who isn't worthless.

70Chip
02-20-2006, 09:02 PM
The only thing we know about C Clemons is that he is a decent pass rusher off the edge. It would be ridiculous to assume he is an every down player. If he is, I would have liked to have seen him in the game instead of Holdman.

I understand that people feel a loyalty to Lavar because he was making plays and putting forth effort when it seemed that no one else was. I like Lavar as well. The thing is, though, the way the financial aspects of the game are structured, you can't give your heart and soul to any individual player. Darrell Green was the last Redskin I felt any attachment to, and he was the only one for many years. If he he had not played for so long, the last one would have retired around '94 (Monte) or '95 (Monk). Maybe its age, but I just can't get worked up about anyone getting the axe unless I think its a dumb football decision which is not the case here. Its not personal with Lavar. Its not personal with Patrick. It won't be personal the next time with the next guy. (Brunell? Wynn?) So, I'll listen to someone make a case on the football merits, but sentimentality will not persuade me anymore.

Dirtbag59
02-20-2006, 09:53 PM
Is anyone else hoping for no salary cap as much as I am?

Schneed10
02-20-2006, 10:40 PM
We have painted ouselves into a corner with Lavar, obviously our big spending is finally coming home to roost, Lavar, Brunell, are 2 of the biggest wastes of money we have. I believe we should cut ties with him, not only can we replace him with a rookie, but we could upgrade, I am absolutly comfortable with Clemons full time if he returns healthy.

We have to get the cap under control, although I feel we are prepared to take the next step to legitamate SB contender, our cap this year may not allow it, this may be a year that we go with Campbell from day 1, and send Brunell packing, I say we turn Campbell loose and see what we have, we can then have our cap under control for the following season, Lavar is a waste, and Brunell is not the future, time to make some tough cuts for the good of our future.

I can't take a single thing you say seriously, because you're so obviously biased against Mark Brunell.

MTK
02-20-2006, 10:54 PM
Cutting Brunell leaves Gibbs with no safety net at all, especially since it's obvious Ramsey is on his way out.

There's just no way Gibbs would take that big of a risk at QB.

70Chip
02-20-2006, 11:27 PM
Cutting Brunell leaves Gibbs with no safety net at all, especially since it's obvious Ramsey is on his way out.

There's just no way Gibbs would take that big of a risk at QB.

They would not cut him this year, but he'll have to go sooner or later. I don't see him playing out his whole contract.

That Guy
02-21-2006, 01:58 AM
from a numbers standpoint, ditching mark brunell this offseason makes lot of sense... but like i said, i don't see gibbs ever doing it. IF MB got the axe, obviously you'd have to keep ramsey for his last year.

offiss
02-21-2006, 03:34 AM
The only thing we know about C Clemons is that he is a decent pass rusher off the edge. It would be ridiculous to assume he is an every down player. If he is, I would have liked to have seen him in the game instead of Holdman.

I understand that people feel a loyalty to Lavar because he was making plays and putting forth effort when it seemed that no one else was. I like Lavar as well. The thing is, though, the way the financial aspects of the game are structured, you can't give your heart and soul to any individual player. Darrell Green was the last Redskin I felt any attachment to, and he was the only one for many years. If he he had not played for so long, the last one would have retired around '94 (Monte) or '95 (Monk). Maybe its age, but I just can't get worked up about anyone getting the axe unless I think its a dumb football decision which is not the case here. Its not personal with Lavar. Its not personal with Patrick. It won't be personal the next time with the next guy. (Brunell? Wynn?) So, I'll listen to someone make a case on the football merits, but sentimentality will not persuade me anymore.


Well we don't have to assume anything with Lavar, we know he's not an everydown LB, infact if williams has his way he wont be playing any downs, Clemons has showed steady progress, he has also shown he can get after the QB better than Lavar, there is a reason Lavar was on the bench most of the year and I am tired of hearing the injury excuse he didn't have major reconstruction on his knee, he's just a lowsey LB, who happens to have a big personality.

offiss
02-21-2006, 03:38 AM
its nice that you think clemons is ready to go... he's been decent on rushing the passer, but i haven't seen him in coverage etc at all. and what happens if he gets hurt? you need a reserve and without lavar we'd need to get somebody who isn't worthless.

That is what the draft is for, it is also why Williams makes the big bucks, he can take an athlete and make him a football player, Williams has proven he can take a nobody and have him outplay Lavar, [see Marshall] as well Clemons was on his way to claiming that spot before his injury. Perhaps he's not an everydown player yet? That's why we have scouts, to draft a player who can step in if need be. I can't imagine a rookie taking longer to learn the position than Lavar has.

offiss
02-21-2006, 03:44 AM
I can't take a single thing you say seriously, because you're so obviously biased against Mark Brunell.

Yes I am, but it's not unfounded bias. But to whomever thinks Brunell is the answer, good luck. Brunell is no longer the apple of Gibbs eye, that honor now belongs to Campbell! As Gibbs said it's time for Campbell to go to work and start earning his paycheck, I don't believe he was refering to him holding a clipboard.

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