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Dirtbag59 02-14-2006, 09:12 PM Another anti-Art Monk for the Hall article by, you guessed it, Peter King.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/02/14/mmqbte/index.html
70Chip 02-14-2006, 10:25 PM The Pro Bowl defense doesn't cut it with me. He points out that Carson had 9 Pro Bowls in 13 seasons and I will again point out that Chris Hanburger had 9 Pro Bowls in 14 seasons. Does anyone ever remember Chris being touted for the hall. There are posters on this site who are saying "Chris Who?" even as they read this. King should just come out and say that he's giving bonus points for New York.
BigSKINBauer 02-14-2006, 10:36 PM I have a chris Hanburger autograph. :D
King is also a d-bag
GoSkins! 02-14-2006, 10:52 PM I clicked on the link and after reading half the article I came to the conclusion that the best thing I can say is that King is a really fat guy.
offiss 02-14-2006, 11:38 PM I have to laugh that he gives Carson all this credit for the Giants being this great run stopping defense, he wasen't even on the best defensive team of his era, that honor goes to the Bears, as well as whom was considered the best MLB of that era? Mike Singletary. Now he want's to use a popularity contest in the pro-bowl, as if we don't see year after year players left off the pro-bowl roster who clearly deserve it above others who are voted in.
I love how he fails to mention that Carson played in a 3-4 defense, which in itself dimishes his accomplishments as a run stopper. As he stated Monk had Clark who was very good, but I wouldn't call him great, yet he fails to mention that Carson was the benefactor of LT on his defense occupying 2-3 players constantly, correct me if I am wrong but LT is THE greatest OLB to ever play the game. Pepper Johnson stepped in and played tremendous for the Giants, along with plenty of other MLB's during Carsons era, it's funny he doesn't give Parcells and Belechik the credit for Carsons limited success, reason I say that is both have proven to make star's out of less than physically gifted players, Carson is riding the success of a defensive concept which plenty of other MLB's have had a lot of Success, some more than Carson, his name? Teddy Brusci. As well a strong case can be made that Carson was 3rd best LB on his own team behind Taylor and Banks.
Then perhaps the biggest argument that can be made which you will never hear coming out of Kings convoluted mouth is this, the Wr position especially a possesion WR like Monk is far more difficult, and requires far more skills than a MLB of a 3-4 defense, so in itself by position Monk IMO deserves the nod over Carson, even if Carson was on an even plain with Monk, but that's just not so, Monk broke several NFL records. Carson is lucky if he holds any Giant records. And yes Monk has a hall of fame coach signing his praises with more SB rings than the guy who was signing Carsons praises!
The guy is a hypocrite, who has limited knowledge of how the game truley breaks down!
Bottom line Monk was the primary reciever on the most prolific offense in NFL history, Carson? Well he wasen't even on the best defense of his era. END OF STORY!
gusbus 02-15-2006, 12:11 AM He's an idiot and the reason why HOF voting should not be left to the writers. One point is that Monk is a very quiet guy an dprobably didn't grant the fat A** an interview at some point. Second don't the fans do the voting for the Pro Bowl. So Monk wasn't voted to a lote of PBs so what back then the internet wasn't available for people to vote sorry a**e* like M. Vick to the PB. They had to do it at the stadium. RFK was sold out every game by the same fans and they probably only filled out the ballot once and then away games it was always Monk who killed their hopes on 3rd and long. Back to M. Vick if you use fat a**es method of voting M. Vick has been to the PB, I believe, every year of his career. This year he threw for like 2400 yards and was rated, I think 26/27 QB in the NFL. But I guess since he went to the PB he had a HOF season.
Peter King is full of it. Here are the numbers:
Rank Yrs Catches Yards Avg TD
1(1)JERRY RICENFL20
1,549
22,895
14.8
197
5(5)Art MonkNFL16
940
12,721
13.5
68
9(8)Steve Largent *NFL14
819
13,089
16.0
100
14(11)James Lofton *NFL16
764
14,004
18.3
75
16T(13T)Michael IrvinNFL12
750
11,904
15.9
65
shallyshal 02-15-2006, 04:41 AM Another anti-Art Monk for the Hall article by, you guessed it, Peter King.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/02/14/mmqbte/index.html
the only positive thing you can say is if he keeps having to defend his position he is getting heat for it.
but he is right that there are others who feel the same way he does
shallyshal 02-15-2006, 04:42 AM The Pro Bowl defense doesn't cut it with me. He points out that Carson had 9 Pro Bowls in 13 seasons and I will again point out that Chris Hanburger had 9 Pro Bowls in 14 seasons. Does anyone ever remember Chris being touted for the hall. There are posters on this site who are saying "Chris Who?" even as they read this. King should just come out and say that he's giving bonus points for New York.
if carson plays anywhere else other than ny he never gets inthe hall of fame
backrow 02-15-2006, 08:03 AM He's an idiot and the reason why HOF voting should not be left to the writers. One point is that Monk is a very quiet guy an dprobably didn't grant the fat A** an interview at some point. Second don't the fans do the voting for the Pro Bowl. So Monk wasn't voted to a lote of PBs so what back then the internet wasn't available for people to vote sorry a**e* like M. Vick to the PB. They had to do it at the stadium. RFK was sold out every game by the same fans and they probably only filled out the ballot once and then away games it was always Monk who killed their hopes on 3rd and long. Back to M. Vick if you use fat a**es method of voting M. Vick has been to the PB, I believe, every year of his career. This year he threw for like 2400 yards and was rated, I think 26/27 QB in the NFL. But I guess since he went to the PB he had a HOF season.
Peter King is full of it. Here are the numbers:
Rank Yrs Catches Yards Avg TD
1(1)JERRY RICENFL20
1,549
22,895
14.8
197
5(5)Art MonkNFL16
940
12,721
13.5
68
9(8)Steve Largent *NFL14
819
13,089
16.0
100
14(11)James Lofton *NFL16
764
14,004
18.3
75
16T(13T)Michael IrvinNFL12
750
11,904
15.9
65
Great Post! The Statistics do not lie!
skinsttw 02-15-2006, 09:32 AM Monk definitely deserves HOF. He is just so soft-spoken and has no big ego, that most non-skins fans don't recognize his greatness.
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