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wolfeskins 02-08-2006, 09:37 PM this thread is pathetic! why 3 pages on 2 teams that the majority of people here could give a rats ass about?
this thread is about the officiating. it's not about the two teams.
LongTimeSkinsFan 02-08-2006, 11:53 PM this thread is about the officiating. it's not about the two teams.
Thanks Wolfeskins. It seems rather difficult to keep on topic here like people are assuming that everyone that feels the game was less than properly officiated is a Seahawks sympathiser.
jermus22 02-09-2006, 08:44 AM Yeah, the point of this thread is that we're concerned about the officiating. Like someone said earlier, we could have this come back and bite us in the ass (possibly in next year's SB). I don't want any stupid calls deciding a game like that for us. BTW, Seattle DID play well enough to win (at least in the first half.
Please, some of you are acting like Seattle played a great game and had the game stolen from them by the refs.
Can anyone honestly say the Seahawks played a better overall game than the Steelers?
-Seattle was 5/17 on 3rd downs (29%) compared to the Steelers who were 8/15 (53%)
-Seattle was penalized 7 times for 70 yards compared to the Steelers who were penalized 3 times for 20 yards.
Yes some of the calls were iffy.
The push off in the endzone was iffy but hey, he did clearly push off so it really wasn't a horrible call.
The only outright horrible call I saw was the low block on Hasselbeck. You can argue about the holding calls, some were legit, some weren't, but those types of calls are made all season. How many phantom holding calls did we see this year both for us and against us??
Ben's TD was a very close call that could have went either way. I don't think anybody can say with 100% confidence that he did or didn't get in.
-Seattle missed 2 FG's.
-Jerramy Steven's 4 dropped passes caused several drives to stall out.
-Hasselbeck's INT in the 4th quarter killed any chances the Seahawks had of coming back.
-The Steelers scores boiled down to 3 key plays. Willie Parker's 75 yard run, Roethlisberger's 37 yard pass to Ward on 3rd and 28, Randle El's reverse toss for a TD. There wasn't any "ref interference" on any of these plays, the Steelers simply made these big plays when needed and Seattle couldn't stop them.
As some have already said, complaining about the refs is what losers do. Once the dust settles on this whole thing, the Seahawks only have themselves to blame and they know it.
skinsguy 02-09-2006, 11:26 AM Thank you Matty!
Complaining doesn't help matters.
dblanch66 02-09-2006, 12:11 PM The fact that the NFL says the game was "properly officiated" doesn't bode well for the future. The NFL simply doesn't care enough if the officiating is bad. If they did, the refs would be hired full time and be in shape and able to see. Nfl is the only sport that doesn't hire full time refs. Golly, could it be a "money issue".????
Train, watch game film, increase their knowledge of the rules to name a few. I don't know how many times this year there were "conferences" that lasted forever, "disagreements" as to what happened on a flag, flags picked up that were thrown, obvious replays from the booth that were still not overturned, a blatent misunderstanding of the rules (see Plummer's fumble or 'tuck rule'), the non call of horsecollar tackles and I could go on and on. I guess they need more time to LEARN THE F-----G RULES!
dblanch66 02-09-2006, 12:12 PM Just a question. If the REF's were full time what would they do diffrent? What would they do in the off season? And what would they do Monday thru Friday? Other major sports have games seven days a week and need full time REF's. I'm not defending the REF's but I just don't see how being full time would change the mistakes.
Train, watch game film, increase their knowledge of the rules to name a few. I don't know how many times this year there were "conferences" that lasted forever, "disagreements" as to what happened on a flag, flags picked up that were thrown, obvious replays from the booth that were still not overturned, a blatent misunderstanding of the rules (see Plummer's fumble or 'tuck rule'), the non call of horsecollar tackles and I could go on and on. I guess they need more time to LEARN THE F-----G RULES!
LongTimeSkinsFan 02-09-2006, 01:08 PM Please, some of you are acting like Seattle played a great game and had the game stolen from them by the refs...
Matty: I respect your opinion and you have issued valid points however I would like to bring your attention to the following sequence of events
1. Seattle has the ball in I think it was the 3rd or maybe 4th quarter. Hasselbeck drops back to pass and completes inside the 10 yd line. Play is called back for holding penalty. I will grant that from the official's viewpoint the holding is a valid call. However, it appeared the Pitt linebacker had jumped offsides. The offsides was never flagged but the holding was. Same two players/field of view was involved.
2. After the holding penalty was assessed, Hasselbeck throws an interception. During the return, Hasselbeck is flagged for an illegal block (?) while tackling the return man. This gives Pitt the ball and places the ball near midfield.
3. A couple plays later, Randle El takes a pitch and runs around right end, then throws and completes a pass to Heinz Ward for a TD.
I would submit that without the two key calls made here (the holding and illegal block) that (1) Seattle scores at least a field goal, and probably a touchdown and (2) Pittsburgh does not score. Would that be reasonable or not? Others feel free to chime in on this one too!
TheMalcolmConnection 02-09-2006, 02:41 PM I found a clip online of that play from some bitter Seahawks fan the other day and the guy that supposedly jumped offsides had PERFECT timing. He went RIGHT when the ball moved and the holding clearly prevented him from sacking Hasselbeck. And Matty's point really is this (and my mantra lately is "can't see the forest for the trees):
If Seattle deserved to win, you think they would have been able to stop that long run by Parker. If Seattle deserved to win, Stevens wouldn't have dropped those passes. If Seattle deserved to win, they wouldn't have been burned on that play by Randle El that you HAD to know was coming. Even the announcers called it.
LongTimeSkinsFan 02-09-2006, 04:08 PM If Seattle deserved to win, you think they would have been able to stop that long run by Parker. If Seattle deserved to win, Stevens wouldn't have dropped those passes. If Seattle deserved to win, they wouldn't have been burned on that play by Randle El that you HAD to know was coming. Even the announcers called it.
The crux of my argument is that officiating interfered heavily with the outcome of the game. Obviously, you don't see it that way and your argument is simply that Seattle didn't play well enough to win and Pittsburgh did. Personally, I enjoyed watching Seattle being abused. I think they're in a soft division with no real competition and I think Chicago or Carolina might have represented the NFC better.
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