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RedskinPete 02-07-2006, 05:34 PM Nah, it's not fixed. I just believe that Seattle made enough mistakes that any "bad" call against them was going to play a major role in the outcome of the game. Winning teams find ways to win regardless of the officiating. Seattle couldn't do it.
Well if and I say IF the fix was not on that says a lot about the NFL refs!!!! :frusty: They are so bad and wow most everything about that game sunday was bad. :insane: Yet each week on the NFL network you have them telling us just how good the Refs are and what call that week wasn't a miss call! This NEEDS TO BE FIXED! :headbange
DCopper04 02-07-2006, 05:40 PM A transcript of the conversation between Paul Tagliabue and Gene Upshaw, in which they discuss rigging the Super Bowl:
Tagliabue: Hey Gene!
Upshaw: What?
T: I am a very, very devious man, and I have an idea.
U: Talk to me, Pauly.
T: This idea could go down in history as the single most boneheaded conspiracy. Ever.
U: I am intrigued. Tell me more!
T: You and I stand to gain absolutely nothing by doing this, but I wanna do it anyway, because I'm a conniving little rascal.
U: Keep going! Keep going!
T: This is like the Chicago Blacksox, Pete Rose, and Danny Almonte all rolled into one. Only this is with football.
U: Tell me already or else I'll strike on your ass!
T: LET'S RIG THE SUPER BOWL!
U: Giggity giggity giggity! It's so stupid it's almost brilliant!
T: Tell me about it! I already make over 8 figures a year, but that's worth risking a very very negligible benefit for the NFL as a whole.
U: You're such a team player.
T: Indeed. Keep in mind that if anyone were to find out about this, we would be shunned, fired, and potentially prosecuted for our acts. The NFL’s product would lose its legitimacy, and fans all around the country would stop watching. But who cares? I want one for the thumb, biatch!
Anyone who alledges the NFL fixes games is merely babbling in an emotional tirade rather than thinking about the situation logically.
Right now the NFL is at its zenith, and it is only going to grow more popular and more profitable. Whether the NFL stands to gain something by having certain teams succeed over others is a matter of debate, but regardless of the truth of that matter, the NFL would be crazy to try to influence games. By compromising the integrity of the sport, they stand to lose much more than they have to gain. If it were discovered that games were fixed, the sport would be permanently crippled.
Also, when you say "the NFL wanted the Steelers to win" exactly who are you referring to? The refs? Tagliabue? The owners, or the player's association? Because the refs stand to gain absolutely nothing by fixing the game; their salaries are set from day one and are not influenced by how much the NFL is worth. Same applies to Tags. The owners and players do, theoretically, stand to gain money by increasing the value of the NFL as a whole, but as I've already stated, the risk is not worth the reward.
jdlea 02-07-2006, 05:59 PM There weren't even that many bad calls in that game. The pass interference call was iffy, but either way I think it was close. I think D Jack pushed off, that's just me, whatever the case, Patten got called for less on a TD catch against Denver so that call is out.
The big one is the holding call when Seattle had the big play nullified. That one was obviously a bad call, but you never know, the refs get the number wrong all the time, it could have been on someone else on the line.
The Big Ben TD: there was no doubt that you stay with the call on the field, there wasn't enough evidence to overturn it. I think he got in, but I don't know.
The Hasselbeck low block was total BS. That was a terrible call, but it was only 15 yards. That's not that big of a deal
What I think is lost in all this is the fact that Seattle came to the biggest game of their lives and couldn't deal with a little adversity. It was a tough game, but you're supposed to be one of the best teams in the league and then a few calls don't go your way and you can't respond? That's just sad. It pisses me off that Holmgren's crying about it and it's retarded if people think that the game was set up to screw Seattle.
44deisel44 02-07-2006, 06:19 PM I agree 100% with last 2 paragraphs....I want 30 seconds back of my life for the top section though!:Smoker:
(Talking about DCOP's post)
wolfeskins 02-07-2006, 07:06 PM it wouldn't surprise me if the game was fixed, i do believe games and/or other sporting events have been fixed before, so why not the nfl ? that was definately the worse officiated game that i have ever seen, and every bad call went against seattle. they were not just little, petty calls. they were major, game changing calls.
taking a td away from seattle
giving a td to pitt.
taking away first and goal from seattle
thats 17 or 21 points.
wolfeskins 02-07-2006, 07:15 PM all i know is the nfl loves good stories , and whats a better story than the steelers, being the 6th seed win the super bowl with the 2nd youngest qb in it's history and in detroit where the beloved bus is from and will retire after winning his only championship.
was the game fixed ? who knows but to simply say that there is no way it could have been is being naive. the people who run the nfl are very powerful people. powerful people can do powerful thing without anyone knowing.
skindogger47 02-07-2006, 07:51 PM Say what you will about this Super Bowl, but I will be GOD DAMNED if the Patriots/Raiders AFC Championship game a few years back wasn't rigged. Not even citing the invention of the tuck rule as evidence, though that is a perfectly good argument. But when the Raiders took a timeout when the Pats didn't have any so that a ground crew could shovel snow for 35 seconds around where the Pats were kicking their field goal, when any snow there at all would have prevented the kick from going in. Not to mention earlier in that drive when Brady clearly did not get out of bounds and they stopped the clock anyway.
And how many people here just knew in their heart that Vanderjagt was going to miss that field goal? I knew he'd miss it, just not by 30 ****ing yards. Vegas and politics rule sports. It was also funny that another Seahawks touchdown would have not only covered the spread, but the over as well. You just have to watch the game like you watch the commercials--it's all a production.
skindogger47 02-07-2006, 07:56 PM My friend who is a die hard Steelers fan was watching the game and laughing the entire time, telling me how fixed the game was. I didn't disagree with him. Human error has been a scapegoat for consistent ridiculous calls. That's the problem, is the consistency with which these calls are made, and that they are not as "random" as some would like to believe.
amorentz 02-07-2006, 08:17 PM Elvis is alive too.
Yea, I heard he was partying with Biggie and Tupac at the Super Bowl!
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