The perfect trade for Ramsey

There was a former Jet GM on the radio a month or so ago, he works in some compasity for the NFL, or writting for them [not sure] but he said that he knew several GM's who think a lot more highly of Ramsey than the fans and the skins organization.

Talent evaluation is being able to evaluate an individual within his circumstances, some players can look much better than they are because they are in a great circumstance, [see AJ Feeley] then other can look horrible because of their circumstances [see Drew Brees] that is what seperates the great GM's from the average run of the mill smuck, who just looks at a stat sheet and makes a determination.
It was Pat Kirwan who works for NFL Network & writes for NFL.com who has said that Ramsey is held in higher regard by some GMs but that still doesn't mean they are going to give up a high pick for him. I'd love to get a 1st or second round pick for him but I don't see it happening.

I agree with the talent evaluation part of it, but my point is if you are offered a third round pick then you have to strongly consider it. Ramsey has shown more negatively than Feely did and probably won't warrant a 2nd round pick. I really don't base my opinion on Ramsey completely on his stats (though I am alarmed at his fumble numbers and his W-L) but the fact that he looks flustered and lost a lot and makes poor decisions when pressured.

It could be because these other GMs don't see as much of Ramsey as the Redskins do. Are they at every practice, every meeting, every film room session?


I really don't want to sound cocky about this, but IT IS only a matter of time before Ramsey proves he's a bonified starter, I have no doubt in my mind. But it's just senseless at this point to keep debating, we can come back to this when it's all said and done and reflect on who was right and who was wrong, we are just going in circles. :insane:

I really don't want to sound cocky about this, but IT IS only a matter of time before Ramsey proves he's a bonified starter, I have no doubt in my mind. But it's just senseless at this point to keep debating, we can come back to this when it's all said and done and reflect on who was right and who was wrong, we are just going in circles. :insane:

And yet you have nothing to substantiate that claim. You're just going off your own conjecture.

I really don't want to sound cocky about this, but IT IS only a matter of time before Ramsey proves he's a bonified starter, I have no doubt in my mind. But it's just senseless at this point to keep debating, we can come back to this when it's all said and done and reflect on who was right and who was wrong, we are just going in circles. :insane:


And if he does, then you would've guessed right since you don't have any evidence to support such a claim, and if he doesn't, then you'll forever stick with the excuse that he didn't get a fair shot - no matter where he winds up playing.

And if he does, then you would've guessed right since you don't have any evidence to support such a claim, and if he doesn't, then you'll forever stick with the excuse that he didn't get a fair shot - no matter where he winds up playing.

Exactly. And "bonafied starter" is an awfully vague term. But whatever, he believes that Ramsey is the real deal and that Brunell had no positive impact whatsoever on our team this year. Good for him. It helps him sleep at night

Exactly. And "bonafied starter" is an awfully vague term. But whatever, he believes that Ramsey is the real deal and that Brunell had no positive impact whatsoever on our team this year. Good for him. It helps him sleep at night
Yeah and I think he is right 100% right!!!! And I sleep very well too:)

An interesting search reveals that Gibbs had never drafted a QB in the first round until Jason Campbell. Jay Schroeder and Cary Conklin were both 2nd round picks. Gibbs is a gut feeling type of guy. I think he sees uncertainty in Patrick and needs somoeone who steps up and assumes a leadership role willingly. Patrick so far has shown that he is a thrower, not a passer (yet). I was a Ramsey fan now I'm not excited to keep him nor glad to see him go. A lot of good QB's take a while to develop even then it is sometimes a case of "right time, right place". Patrick may not be lost cause but I think Gibbs is ready to let Jason Campbell be the next QB to take the 'Skins to the Super Bowl.

I guess TAFKAS! I just don't understand it. If Ramsey was starting and had the same exact year that Brunell had or better, then I would have fully supported Ramsey. My loyality lies with the team and not just certain players. I stick up for Brunell, because everybody wrote him off last year - including myself. He came back this year and had a very good year for the most part. I realize he had some bad games, but even the Super Bowl quarterbacks we had on this team had bad games once in awhile.

However, if Jason Campbell steps in next year and shows he's ready, then I'll support him 100%! If somehow Ramsey stays on the team (not likely) and starts and plays well, I'll support him. But, I'll keep supporting Brunell as long as he plays and brings in wins for us. If he can't, Gibbs and company are smart enough to know when to the pull the trigger. They haven't made any bad personnel decisions yet.

When we have these discussions about PR, no one ever seems to consider what Ramsey wants to do. He does not want to be a backup for us, period. This whole, "let's keep him another year as a backup to Brunell" debate is pointless if he doesn't want to be here. Gibbs NEVER keeps guys who don't want to play for him, and Ramsey is good enough to at least compete for a starting job at a few teams in the NFL. I will not comment on the "will ge be good elsewhere" debate because I frankly have no idea if he will be a good QB, as I've seen good things and bad things from him. But unless he is completely willing to be a backup, we won't keep him, and I think JC should be our #2 guy next year anyways.

I guess TAFKAS! I just don't understand it. If Ramsey was starting and had the same exact year that Brunell had or better, then I would have fully supported Ramsey. My loyality lies with the team and not just certain players. I stick up for Brunell, because everybody wrote him off last year - including myself. He came back this year and had a very good year for the most part. I realize he had some bad games, but even the Super Bowl quarterbacks we had on this team had bad games once in awhile.

However, if Jason Campbell steps in next year and shows he's ready, then I'll support him 100%! If somehow Ramsey stays on the team (not likely) and starts and plays well, I'll support him. But, I'll keep supporting Brunell as long as he plays and brings in wins for us. If he can't, Gibbs and company are smart enough to know when to the pull the trigger. They haven't made any bad personnel decisions yet.
Ditto.