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I think we differ on what "real opportunity" is. I think practices, minicamp, training camp, and preseason games this past year do give Ramsey the opportunity to improve and the coaching staff the chance to evaluate his progress.
But the issue here isn't what will Brunell do in 2006. It's why can't you respect what he did in 2005? His overall body of work, as Matty has said.
But what about 2004!!
j/k
SmootSmack 01-20-2006, 03:59 PM But what about 2004!!
j/k
LOL...bastard
offiss 01-20-2006, 04:02 PM Well, that's interesting.
Let me jump off track here just a little, Offiss. I, like yourself, am not really a stat guy. But you mentioned earlier that ultimatley we should measure Brunells worth in terms of wins/losses. Tom Brady and Brunell had the same exact records this year. Now if I were to take your statement literally, I would have to believe that you think Tom B. and Mark B. are equals.
Am I correct in assuming that or am I reaching a little too much here?
Kind of a stupid question but I will indulge,
Who were the wins and loses against, and how were those games won? Yes most of the Pat's wins are directly attributed to Brady's play and his ability to move an offense as well as control the ball and keep it away from opposing teams, especially this past season, the Pat's until late didn't have their standard shutdown defense going for them, with all the injuries that team had it was a major accomplishment to keep them afloat and finish where they did, and for the record they didn't need to win their last game and took it easy, that is the only reason they finished tied with us, if Brunell was Brady like, maybe we could have rested before the playoffs as well.
Our defense was better than the Pat's D this year.
We might take a look at what Brady did with Patton, compared to what Brunell was doing before he was hurt.
I don't know, mentioning Brady in the same breath with Brunell seems kind of ridiculous don't you think?
I don't know, mentioning Brady in the same breath with Brunell seems kind of ridiculous don't you think?
Not quite as ridiculous as mentioning Ramsey and Aikman in the same breath.
;)
offiss 01-20-2006, 04:05 PM Offiss,
How could anyone say with reason Brunell will be better next year. No one, including me, thought he would be as good as he was this year. That's a foolish prediction because so many variables, out of his control, come into play.
If Brunell isn't that good of a quarterback, then I don't know how you define good. And for you to say Patrick would have done better, to get let's say 11 or 12 wins is total conjecture on your part.
Really? What gave it away, his lack of playing time? :doh:
Redskins_P 01-20-2006, 04:06 PM I don't know, mentioning Brady in the same breath with Brunell seems kind of ridiculous don't you think?
That can't be as bad as mentioning Ramsey and Aikman in the same breath.
That can't be as bad as mentioning Ramsey and Aikman in the same breath.
Beat you to the punch :)
offiss 01-20-2006, 04:07 PM Not quite as ridiculous as mentioning Ramsey and Aikman in the same breath.
;)
I didn't compare them as QB's, just their circumstances before hand. SMART ASS! ;)
12thMan 01-20-2006, 04:13 PM Kind of a stupid question but I will indulge,
Who were the wins and loses against, and how were those games won? Yes most of the Pat's wins are directly attributed to Brady's play and his ability to move an offense as well as control the ball and keep it away from opposing teams, especially this past season, the Pat's until late didn't have their standard shutdown defense going for them, with all the injuries that team had it was a major accomplishment to keep them afloat and finish where they did, and for the record they didn't need to win their last game and took it easy, that is the only reason they finished tied with us, if Brunell was Brady like, maybe we could have rested before the playoffs as well.
Our defense was better than the Pat's D this year.
We might take a look at what Brady did with Patton, compared to what Brunell was doing before he was hurt.
I don't know, mentioning Brady in the same breath with Brunell seems kind of ridiculous don't you think?
Exactly my point, it is ridiculous. For the record, I think Brady's a better QB.
I do, however, find it interesting and funny how you make allowances for Brady and the Pats, but you make none for Brunell.
Redskins_P 01-20-2006, 04:13 PM I didn't compare them as QB's, just their circumstances before hand. SMART ASS! ;)
Troy Aikman was the first overall pick, so their circumstance are much different. Ramsey was considered the 3rd best QB coming out of college.
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