Will Saunders Affect Our QB Situation?

Not it's not. Stacking the box doesn't mean that they ONLY go after the running back. Brunell was pressured all day against Seattle's defense...that's a fact! The persuit stopped our WR screen - which helps to keep the defense honest. Nobody was getting open on a consistant basis. You have Taylor Jacobs playing opposite of Santana Moss..'nuff said.




If and only if the receivers are open and if and only if you're given time to burn the defense deep - both were not true in that game.



In your theory, we should be able to burn people deep everytime a defense stacks 7 or 8 guys in the box. That doesn't always happen. Just like you said, you can't expect 5 guys to block 7 or 8, so how do you expect 5 guys to pass protect against 7 or 8 guys? It doesn't happen. The best way to counter that is a quick dump off pass. Again - Seattle's persuit was faster than what anybody gave them credit for. It's not Brunell's fault or at least isn't Brunell's fault alone.

Why has this discussion gone this far?

Offiss, what would have been sufficient for you-that we had won the Super Bowl this year...or that we got as far as we did exactly the same way but with Patrick Ramsey at QB?

I don't think I'm alone in thinking that what really bothers you is that Ramsey wasn't playing and that, contrary to what you believed at the start of the season, Brunell is still capable of being the starting QB of a playoff team.

So I guess unless you're setting league records you're not doing a good job?

I guess only Shaun Alexander had a good season then.

If you go from the bottom 1/3 of the league in offense to the top 1/3, that's a pretty damn good improvement not matter what way you try to spin it.

Improvement for the rest of the team not Brunell, as I said before this team outperformed him.

Actually I am not a stat guy, I look at how a player contributes to his team and that can come in many different forms, but to some how say that because a player set a team record makes him elite, well maybe it does and maybe it doesn't, but if he's the only one being thrown to well that might change things a bit don't you think? It also might make a defenses job a little easier to stop us knowing Brunell has a 1 track mind.

Bottom line whoever want's to believe that Brunell is a good QB can, I don't care, that's your buisness, if you some how want to believe that wasen't Brunell out there the last 3 games go ahead. He had 4 big games all season lost 1 and Ramsey played half of the other.

If you feel his performance in the last 3 games is somehow in any way indicative of a quality NFL QB, let alone a QB that is going to lead us to a SB congradulations with that and good luck! :biggthump

Improvement for the rest of the team not Brunell, as I said before this team outperformed him.

Again a false statement. Doesn't matter if you're a stats guy or not, Brunell had one of his better seasons this season and improved by leaps and bounds from last season. Anyone who actually argues that fact needs serious help.

Improvement for the rest of the team not Brunell, as I said before this team outperformed him.

Actually I am not a stat guy, I look at how a player contributes to his team and that can come in many different forms, but to some how say that because a player set a team record makes him elite, well maybe it does and maybe it doesn't, but if he's the only one being thrown to well that might change things a bit don't you think? It also might make a defenses job a little easier to stop us knowing Brunell has a 1 track mind.

Bottom line whoever want's to believe that Brunell is a good QB can, I don't care, that's your buisness, if you some how want to believe that wasen't Brunell out there the last 3 games go ahead. He had 4 big games all season lost 1 and Ramsey played half of the other.

If you feel his performance in the last 3 games is somehow in any way indicative of a quality NFL QB, let alone a QB that is going to lead us to a SB congradulations with that and good luck! :biggthump

Well, that's interesting.

Let me jump off track here just a little, Offiss. I, like yourself, am not really a stat guy. But you mentioned earlier that ultimatley we should measure Brunells worth in terms of wins/losses. Tom Brady and Brunell had the same exact records this year. Now if I were to take your statement literally, I would have to believe that you think Tom B. and Mark B. are equals.

Am I correct in assuming that or am I reaching a little too much here?

Every team in the league uses the same tactic against good running teams. However, that should not be an excuse for not being able to make plays in the offense. Pittsburgh runs the ball more than any team in the league, they stack the line against them as well but they still run it. They're successful at it because they also make plays in th passing game. JG seeks balance in his offense, and the only way to achieve that the O-line has to be equally adapt at both pass and run blocking, plus you need a QB who is not limited to just certain kind of throws. There are pass plays that Gibbs cannot run in his current offense because our QB lacks the arm strength or accuracy to make the pin-point throws neccessary to make them work. As much as I like Brunell for his leadership and ability to manage the game with limited mistakes, his passes for distance has too much of a hump allowing DB's too much time to react while the pass is in the air.

Offiss, what would have been sufficient for you-that we had won the Super Bowl this year...or that we got as far as we did exactly the same way but with Patrick Ramsey at QB?

I don't think I'm alone in thinking that what really bothers you is that Ramsey wasn't playing and that, contrary to what you believed at the start of the season, Brunell is still capable of being the starting QB of a playoff team.


You may assume that I don't like Brunell because I am a Ramsey backer, which I know that's true with Brunell backers, you know how many were bashing Brunell after last season and were on the Ramsey bandwagon, but as soon as Gibbs makes a switch right, wrong, or indifferent, they immediatly jump ship for Brunell, which is fine, but don't try to convince me he's a good QB at this point in his carreer.

The only reason I back Ramsey is because I beleive he's our best option to win, and if I didn't feel that way I would say we need a QB, not back him just because Gibbs named him the starter.

If Patrick performed as bad as Brunell did at the end of the season after an entire year in this offense I would be saying the same thing, I don't play favortism above performance, I just feel Patrick hasen't been given a real opportunity to prove himself, and Bruenll has and it's not good.

Do you think Brunell is going to get better next season? Or will he continue to decline? We all saw what he did when we needed him most.

If you can use the word capable about Brunell after watching him the last 3 games we played, the 3 biggest games of the year and say CAPABLE, well your a better man than I. But if that's your definition of capable, then no way is capable winning a SB. Now if your going to tell me he's going to be much better next year then I will listen to your explination why.

Hey why don't we just bring back the Kilmer-Jurgenson, Theisman-Schroeder debates too! Hell, what about Gus Frerotte-Heath Shuler!

This is stupid.

Cut them both. I'm tired of this debate.

You may assume that I don't like Brunell because I am a Ramsey backer, which I know that's true with Brunell backers, you know how many were bashing Brunell after last season and were on the Ramsey bandwagon, but as soon as Gibbs makes a switch right, wrong, or indifferent, they immediatly jump ship for Brunell, which is fine, but don't try to convince me he's a good QB at this point in his carreer.

The only reason I back Ramsey is because I beleive he's our best option to win, and if I didn't feel that way I would say we need a QB, not back him just because Gibbs named him the starter.

If Patrick performed as bad as Brunell did at the end of the season after an entire year in this offense I would be saying the same thing, I don't play favortism above performance, I just feel Patrick hasen't been given a real opportunity to prove himself, and Bruenll has and it's not good.

Do you think Brunell is going to get better next season? Or will he continue to decline? We all saw what he did when we needed him most.

If you can use the word capable about Brunell after watching him the last 3 games we played, the 3 biggest games of the year and say CAPABLE, well your a better man than I. But if that's your definition of capable, then no way is capable winning a SB. Now if your going to tell me he's going to be much better next year then I will listen to your explination why.

Offiss,

How could anyone say with reason Brunell will be better next year. No one, including me, thought he would be as good as he was this year. That's a foolish prediction because so many variables, out of his control, come into play.

If Brunell isn't that good of a quarterback, then I don't know how you define good. And for you to say Patrick would have done better, to get let's say 11 or 12 wins is total conjecture on your part.

I think we differ on what "real opportunity" is. I think practices, minicamp, training camp, and preseason games this past year do give Ramsey the opportunity to improve and the coaching staff the chance to evaluate his progress.

But the issue here isn't what will Brunell do in 2006. It's why can't you respect what he did in 2005? His overall body of work, as Matty has said.