Will Saunders Affect Our QB Situation?

I know.

I just don't consider making the playoffs a gauge of success in this sense, would anyone consider the Colts season a success? Not if your supposed to be playing in the super bowl next week. same here, we could have been much better, look how far we went without an offense, we could be playing next week if we had just a decent offense it didn't have to be great. And anyone who thinks that we didn't have the talent to beat both Seattle and Carolina are only kidding themselves, I say with a real QB we not only beat them, we beat them soundly. So I don't believe when you underachieve that making the playoffs makes you a success. I know it's been a while so making the playoffs is a big deal right now, but when your starving anything tastes good, that doesn't mean you should be happy with spam, when you could of had filet mignon!
Ty and welcome back Offiss and you couldn't be more right!

Wow I have been gone 2 days and this thread is still going strong, sorry I haven't been around to get your back with all these Ramsey haters Rail.

As for you Mr. Pain, who played against what in pre-season? Yes Ramsey played against starters, and Brunell played against the UPS loading dock crew.

What did I say about the TO's for Ramsey you ask? Well according to Gibbs if a WR makes the wrong read on a route and the QB throws it in anticipation of that and gets burned it's not the QB's fault, as we heard late in the year when Gibbs went out of his way to defend Brunell for that very thing, funny we never heard a peep put of him when it happened to Ramsey in the Bears game.

As for his fumble? He's lucky he still has his head from that cheap shot he took which should have never happened.

Now lets take a look at the man with the golden arm, and keep in mind that twinkies are golden shall we, did Brunell have any TO's before his big time throws to Moss? Answer, yes. Now pain were you screaming for Gibbs to yank Brunell at that point considering he was stinking the joint up worse than Ramsey? Or did you just decide to overlook it and act as if it didn't occur? That's a real tough question for myself to answer. :yeahright
It's doesn't matter of course they weren't asking for the chosen one's head.... any int he could have thrown doesn't count cause he is more superior than any Qb...... Ramsey is just some dumbass with no football skill what so ever.... Brunell deserve's more consideration by the fact that he has so many championships ........he is a 1st ballot hall of famer....

I know.

I just don't consider making the playoffs a gauge of success in this sense, would anyone consider the Colts season a success? Not if your supposed to be playing in the super bowl next week. same here, we could have been much better, look how far we went without an offense, we could be playing next week if we had just a decent offense it didn't have to be great. And anyone who thinks that we didn't have the talent to beat both Seattle and Carolina are only kidding themselves, I say with a real QB we not only beat them, we beat them soundly. So I don't believe when you underachieve that making the playoffs makes you a success. I know it's been a while so making the playoffs is a big deal right now, but when your starving anything tastes good, that doesn't mean you should be happy with spam, when you could of had filet mignon!
I wonder how many people here think that Seattle is a better team than the Redskin's and we couldn't have won that Game........ I know the Redskin's are better!!!!!!!!!

It's doesn't matter of course they weren't asking for the chosen one's head.... any int he could have thrown doesn't count cause he is more superior than any Qb...... Ramsey is just some dumbass with no football skill what so ever.... Brunell deserve's more consideration by the fact that he has so many championships ........he is a 1st ballot hall of famer....

1st ballot? Whatever your smoking, send some my way.

I know.

I just don't consider making the playoffs a gauge of success in this sense, would anyone consider the Colts season a success? Not if your supposed to be playing in the super bowl next week. same here, we could have been much better, look how far we went without an offense, we could be playing next week if we had just a decent offense it didn't have to be great. And anyone who thinks that we didn't have the talent to beat both Seattle and Carolina are only kidding themselves, I say with a real QB we not only beat them, we beat them soundly. So I don't believe when you underachieve that making the playoffs makes you a success. I know it's been a while so making the playoffs is a big deal right now, but when your starving anything tastes good, that doesn't mean you should be happy with spam, when you could of had filet mignon!In our case as a loosing team for the past five years yes making it to th playoffs was a success. For the colts who have been a team in the playoffs the past couple of years and at 13 and 0 no it was not a success. You have to start somewhere and we have made the start.

It's doesn't matter of course they weren't asking for the chosen one's head.... any int he could have thrown doesn't count cause he is more superior than any Qb...... Ramsey is just some dumbass with no football skill what so ever.... Brunell deserve's more consideration by the fact that he has so many championships ........he is a 1st ballot hall of famer....

No one here, to the best of my knowledge, has said the Ramsey was some dumb jock and had no skills. You're going way overboard!

No one here, to the best of my knowledge, has said the Ramsey was some dumb jock and had no skills. You're going way overboard!

That's the take that the Ramsey backers take.

They make it sound like everyone hates Ramsey and thinks he's got no talent, which just isn't the case.

I think PR has talent and deserves a shot to compete for a job somewhere, but the problem is that Gibbs inherited him and he obviously feels other guys are better fits for him.

Any new coach deserves the opportunity to bring in "his guys", unfortunately Ramsey just isn't in Gibbs' plans.

This is the neverending thread.......

It's doesn't matter of course they weren't asking for the chosen one's head.... any int he could have thrown doesn't count cause he is more superior than any Qb...... Ramsey is just some dumbass with no football skill what so ever.... Brunell deserve's more consideration by the fact that he has so many championships ........he is a 1st ballot hall of famer....

There you go, playing the martyr again. I have yet to see anyone - ANYONE- assert a) Ramsey stinks. b) Brunnell is a hall of famer. INSTEAD, it simply asserted that a) Brunnell played pretty well for us this year; b) Ramsey has limitations which, GENERALLY SPEAKING, seem to be less of a problem for Brunnell (sacks, ints, lack of mobility). Essentially, everyone supporting Brunnell is saying, Gibbs wants to win, Gibbs knows more about QB's than we (despite being well informed) will ever know.

There is not some dark conspiracy to hold Ramsey back, rather, the coach who got us back to the playoff felt more comfortable with Brunnell. Gibbs would play the Diet Pepsi Machine at QB if he thought it gave the Skins the best chance to win.

Am I satisfied with the team's performance? Yes and No. Do I wish we were going to the SB? Yup. I am happy with the progress and believe we will continue to do so. Yup. Do I trust that Gibbs is the right man to make the decisions as to how best to get to the SB (including deciding which QB gives us the best chance to win)? Yup.

This team has progressed mightily since Spurrier's last game and the orchestrator of that change has been Gibbs.

Are we a better team than Seattle? We weren't on that day and it was not ALL Brunnell's fault. Would we have won with Ramsey? Dunno, but I am betting not. That was a pretty ferocious pass rush and I believe PR would been sacked into last week.

Questions for you RC and Offiss:
Do you believe you know more than Gibbs when it comes to rating QB's?
Do you have a better insight than Gibbs as to what it takes to win playoff games?

Unless you can honestly answer yes to both those questions, your argument (that Ramsey should be or should have been starting) simply has no foundation.

I know.

I just don't consider making the playoffs a gauge of success in this sense, would anyone consider the Colts season a success? Not if your supposed to be playing in the super bowl next week. same here, we could have been much better, look how far we went without an offense, we could be playing next week if we had just a decent offense it didn't have to be great. And anyone who thinks that we didn't have the talent to beat both Seattle and Carolina are only kidding themselves, I say with a real QB we not only beat them, we beat them soundly. So I don't believe when you underachieve that making the playoffs makes you a success. I know it's been a while so making the playoffs is a big deal right now, but when your starving anything tastes good, that doesn't mean you should be happy with spam, when you could of had filet mignon!
Simple yes or no, with that statement you made, factoring Taylor Jacobs at #2 WR (who ran off the field yelling 'I think I have a concussion' which means you don't), Jimmy Farris at #3 WR and Antonio Brown at #4 WR do you think a 'real QB' would have made a significant difference in that Seattle game?

Is Ramsey that 'real QB' to whom you are referring?