Any update on Campbell?

All of this Brunell bashing is really funny. If you remove the ludicracy that has Michael Vick going to the Pro Bowl this year, I say we have a Pro Bowl QB on our team right now in Brunell. He is not Peyton Manning, but Peyton's team did not go any further than the Skins did this year. With another option at Receiver next year and another year of confidence by this team, Brunell could be a 25+ TD QB next year. His ability to manage the game is the intangible that helped the Skins get as far as they did. I know the Tampa Playoff game was ugly, but it just proved how bad we need a 3rd option in the pass pattern.

All of this Brunell bashing is really funny. If you remove the ludicracy that has Michael Vick going to the Pro Bowl this year, I say we have a Pro Bowl QB on our team right now in Brunell. He is not Peyton Manning, but Peyton's team did not go any further than the Skins did this year. With another option at Receiver next year and another year of confidence by this team, Brunell could be a 25+ TD QB next year. His ability to manage the game is the intangible that helped the Skins get as far as they did. I know the Tampa Playoff game was ugly, but it just proved how bad we need a 3rd option in the pass pattern.


I agree. The only question I have is.....how much does Brunall have left in the tank? It seems like the season caught up to him real fast towards the end.

So are you willing to stand pat with Patten/Jacobs/Thrash??

Jacobs is a wet marshmallow and Thrash is getting old. When you were only average in your prime, old age is not your friend.

Patten on the other hand, is a nine year veteran. He was a very good #2 in New England and never had problems catching passes from Tom Brady. He was also play opposite Troy Brown, who doesn't have anywhere close to Santana Moss' ability. If he can catch 35-50 balls a year, and average 600-700 yards there, I'm sure he could duplicate that here if Brunell could get him the ball.

Jacobs is a wet marshmallow and Thrash is getting old. When you were only average in your prime, old age is not your friend.

Patten on the other hand, is a nine year veteran. He was a very good #2 in New England and never had problems catching passes from Tom Brady. He was also play opposite Troy Brown, who doesn't have anywhere close to Santana Moss' ability. If he can catch 35-50 balls a year, and average 600-700 yards there, I'm sure he could duplicate that here if Brunell could get him the ball.

So you're saying you'd feel fine going into next season with Patten as the #2 again?

Just because he was productive with one team doesn't mean he will necessarily be productive with another team. Different systems, different circumstances, different cast around him.

I like Patten but I'd like him more as the #3.

I think we need to upgrade at WR2 or WR3. I don't think Brunell leads us to a SB but after all the discussion around here and thinking about it I don't think we make any type of move at the position for next year. Who the heck would we get who is any better than Brunell anyways? Campbell is the long term answer and I am swayed to think he needs to get his shot as the 2 next year. I had been a reluctant advocate on keeping Ramsey and letting Campbell percolate as the 3 again but we need to upgrade the position long terma dn the longer we wait to get Campbell real experience the longer we have to endure having a ceiling on our passing game. I don't think Ramsey stays anyways so I am just going to get used to the idea of Brunell/Campbell/Schmoe as our QBs next year.

In addition I hope we can get some mop up time for Campbell next year early on. I'd like to see him take the starting job by the reigns as soon as possible if he is a capable as we all think.

I think we need to upgrade at WR2 or WR3. I don't think Brunell leads us to a SB but after all the discussion around here and thinking about it I don't think we make any type of move at the position for next year. Who the heck would we get who is any better than Brunell anyways? Campbell is the long term answer and I am swayed to think he needs to get his shot as the 2 next year. I had been a reluctant advocate on keeping Ramsey and letting Campbell percolate as the 3 again but we need to upgrade the position long terma dn the longer we wait to get Campbell real experience the longer we have to endure having a ceiling on our passing game. I don't think Ramsey stays anyways so I am just going to get used to the idea of Brunell/Campbell/Schmoe as our QBs next year.

Schmoe is actually a pretty good prospect... he wears #0 right?

;)

Jacobs is a wet marshmallow and Thrash is getting old. When you were only average in your prime, old age is not your friend.

Patten on the other hand, is a nine year veteran. He was a very good #2 in New England and never had problems catching passes from Tom Brady. He was also play opposite Troy Brown, who doesn't have anywhere close to Santana Moss' ability. If he can catch 35-50 balls a year, and average 600-700 yards there, I'm sure he could duplicate that here if Brunell could get him the ball.

Last year a lot of people were saying what a waste Brunell was, and how it showed that Gibbs didn't know what he was doing, the game passed him by, etc. This year, there are considerably fewer people saying Brunell was a waste.

I get the feeling we'll see the same with Patten. The problem with Patten was not so much lack of receptions. He had 22 after 8 games, on pace for 44 during the season. That's not too far off from his average of 52 a year with NE. The big concern with Patten is receiving yards. But you know what, maybe that's not the role he's going to be asked to play here. I'd still like to see another receiver here. But I'm not worried about Moss and a healthy Patten as 1 and 2.

So are you willing to stand pat with Patten/Jacobs/Thrash??

My point regarding the QB is Gibbs wants balance, his offense will always be centered around the running game and basically as the running game goes so does the entire offense. Theismann did have a huge season in '83, but it's kinda funny that his '84 numbers look very similar to Brunell's of '05.


Those numbers are also why peolple started to wonder about Theisman, and yes it was the beggining of his decline as a QB. I also believe he was around the same age as Brunell at that point.

I am not a big Thrash guy, I would like to see what jacobs can do if he had another QB throwing him the ball, I do not believe Brunell really looked at him all season, but I can't really argue at this point with the anti Jacobs guy's either, I would hang on to him for now. Patten? Why wouldn't we hang on to him, is anyone here going to make a case that Patten is not a good WR? Is his 4.2 speed not enough to seperate from defenders, Patten is the biggest case I can make for Jacobs, Patten is proven, so who's fault is it that he didn't really get any balls before his injury? That is the same reason I do not want to give up on Jacobs, for all we know Jacobs is another David Givens. If Patten had never played for the Pats, and just for us everyone would be saying what a dog he is, and he can't play, his speed is a waste, but we know from his history that's not true, well same goes for Jacobs at this point, just because he hasen't blossomed yet doesn't mean he can't, or wont.

With that said I would replace Thrash with a big reciever, I would like to get a guy who can go up and get a jump ball, we don't have that right now.

So you're saying you'd feel fine going into next season with Patten as the #2 again?

I don't think they will be able to get a receiver that's better than Patten, that also has a cap friendly contract. If it's possible, then of course they should get another #2, but seeing how much rope Gibbs gives to people that he hand picks, I doubt they will pick anyone up next year, other than depth receivers.