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SC Skins Fan 01-17-2006, 08:42 AM wow, I get excited hearing that from gibbs
hope that we have a future superstar qb, who does not only like to run aka mike vick, vince young
but also qb who is accurate and a decision maker ala brunell and brady
I think that might be asking just a tad too much of a first year starting quarterback. I think the long term success of the franchise probably depends on Jason Campbell, but in all likelihood he will not enter into the fray next season and lead the team to the Super Bowl. I suspect that if Campbell is starting next season then the team might struggle and even miss out on the Playoffs. It will be in subsequent seasons that we will really reap the benefits of starting Campbell. I could be wrong, I mean Eli Manning and Chris Simms (2nd and 3rd year qbs respectively) did lead their teams to division championships (and first round losses) this season. I just hope that we as fans can look down the road far enough to see that if Jason Campbell is starting - and probably struggling - it is for the long-term good of the team. Hopefully we will not get down on him and start calling for Brunell after he throws a couple of INTs and loses us a game...I worry that doing so would almost certainly hinder his development...hopefully I'm worrying for no reason here and the team can lean on Portis for another year until Campbell is really ready to step up. I guess this is all premature until we find out who the starting QB is going to be. Though I love Mark, the more I think about it the more I think that it really needs to be Campbell. We shall see.
EEich 01-17-2006, 08:48 AM I'd love to see someone young and with alot of potential leading the team. I know Brunell did a great job this season and he offers the experience and maturity of an older player, but it always bothers me in the back of my mind that we know he's not around much longer. He's just a short-term solution.
I disagree that Brunell did a "great" job this season. He was adequate and inconsistent.
I think they made it to the playoffs because Gibbs decided to take the ball out of his hands.
mheisig 01-17-2006, 08:51 AM I think that might be asking just a tad too much of a first year starting quarterback. I think the long term success of the franchise probably depends on Jason Campbell, but in all likelihood he will not enter into the fray next season and lead the team to the Super Bowl. I suspect that if Campbell is starting next season then the team might struggle and even miss out on the Playoffs. It will be in subsequent seasons that we will really reap the benefits of starting Campbell. I could be wrong, I mean Eli Manning and Chris Simms (2nd and 3rd year qbs respectively) did lead their teams to division championships (and first round losses) this season. I just hope that we as fans can look down the road far enough to see that if Jason Campbell is starting - and probably struggling - it is for the long-term good of the team. Hopefully we will not get down on him and start calling for Brunell after he throws a couple of INTs and loses us a game...I worry that doing so would almost certainly hinder his development...hopefully I'm worrying for no reason here and the team can lean on Portis for another year until Campbell is really ready to step up. I guess this is all premature until we find out who the starting QB is going to be. Though I love Mark, the more I think about it the more I think that it really needs to be Campbell. We shall see.
You can add Ben Roethlisberger to the list with Eli Manning and Chris Simms. Roethlisberger is definitely an exception, not the rule, as most QBs don't have a 98.6 QB rating their first two years.
I'd say Simms and Manning haven't been spectacular, but their teams DID make it to the playoffs and I don't think either are solely to blame for their teams getting knocked out of the playoffs.
There are alot of teams starting young QBs, some with very little success. Alex Smith has been absolutely destroyed in his starts, though he is surrounded by a lousy team.
I think we have the talent in place in all the other positions on the offense (gratned we need a few good signings this offseason) that we wouldn't be throwing Campbell to the dogs (a la Alex Smith). You never know how he's going to do until you try him out, and I for one wouldn't mind seeing him sooner rather than later.
I trust whatever decisions Coach Gibbs makes, as he knows a hell of alot more about quarterbacking than I do. I guess my point is I really don't see any compelling reasons to NOT start Campbell sooner rather than later.
FRPLG 01-17-2006, 08:54 AM Gibbs never says anything negative abotu a player. The guy could be killing our season(hint:2004) and Gibbs would insist he is fighting his guts out. I love the coach but I'll believe Campbell is the goods when I see it with my eyes. I have no reason to think he isn' though so that is good.
Schneed10 01-17-2006, 08:56 AM I think I'm pretty impressed with 23 TDs and 10 INTs from Mark Brunell this year, considering he had no second WR to speak of. If you add a second WR who is worth a damn, I could see 28 TDs and 12 INTs next season.
I don't see Campbell performing that well in his first year. Campbell may be capable of getting to 28 TDs due to the accuracy that Gibbs trumpets. But a young QB starting for his first year in the league is likely to throw a lot more than 10-12 INTs.
I will certainly keep an open mind and give Campbell a chance to show he deserves to start, but at this point I feel very comfortable with Brunell as the starter next season. I firmly believe our vet QB is not the problem keeping us from getting to the Super Bowl. In my opinion, the primary problem is WR.
mheisig 01-17-2006, 09:04 AM I disagree that Brunell did a "great" job this season. He was adequate and inconsistent.
I think they made it to the playoffs because Gibbs decided to take the ball out of his hands.
Brunell was the #13 ranked QB this season with a passer rating of 85.9. Is that mind-blowingly spectacular? No. Nobody is arguing he's Joe Montana or Peyton Manning, just saying he did a pretty good job, which he did.
57% on completions, and most impressive is 23 TDs to only 10 INTs. That's a better ratio than Tom Brady, Trent Green, Jake Delhomme, Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger.
His stats prove him to be efficient and relatively low-risk. You play to your teams strengths. Our strength was running the ball, as is many teams. Doesn't mean the QB is worthless or "inadequate." This is a run-first team and probably always will be as long as Gibbs is coach. If you're looking for a gunslinger like Peyton Manning, find another team.
Twilbert07 01-17-2006, 09:08 AM Brunell did have a solid year. What scared me, though, were some of his bad decisions in the playoffs. That interception at Tampa could have cost us the game, and that intentional grounding at Seattle was not a good play for a veteran to make. He seemed too tired at the end.
That said, he'll be a great mentor for Jason Campbell whenever Coach Gibbs makes the switch next season.
mheisig 01-17-2006, 09:09 AM I think I'm pretty impressed with 23 TDs and 10 INTs from Mark Brunell this year, considering he had no second WR to speak of. If you add a second WR who is worth a damn, I could see 28 TDs and 12 INTs next season.
I don't see Campbell performing that well in his first year. Campbell may be capable of getting to 28 TDs due to the accuracy that Gibbs trumpets. But a young QB starting for his first year in the league is likely to throw a lot more than 10-12 INTs.
I will certainly keep an open mind and give Campbell a chance to show he deserves to start, but at this point I feel very comfortable with Brunell as the starter next season. I firmly believe our vet QB is not the problem keeping us from getting to the Super Bowl. In my opinion, the primary problem is WR.
I think you're right on that Campbell could throw more TDs but probably more INTs too - just goes with being the new guy and adjusting to the NFL.
Obviously winning the Super Bowl is the ultimate goal no matter who the player is. I guess I've always taken exception to the attitude that we'll try to win at any cost, even at the cost of building a strong, long-lasting team. Doing what the Raiders did and throwing together an amazing team for a one-year run is just disheartening. Look at them now.
I'm much more for long-term team growth than hanging on to Brunell in the hopes of snagging a Super Bowl win and having the team disintegrate afterwords. That's what makes the Patriots impressive is their ability to compete like they do year in and year out.
I don't think anyone will argue that Brunell is anything but a short-term solution. He's 36 now and will be 37 once then next season starts - he has very little time left to be effective.
EEich 01-17-2006, 09:15 AM Brunell was the #13 ranked QB this season with a passer rating of 85.9. Is that mind-blowingly spectacular? No. Nobody is arguing he's Joe Montana or Peyton Manning, just saying he did a pretty good job, which he did.
57% on completions, and most impressive is 23 TDs to only 10 INTs. That's a better ratio than Tom Brady, Trent Green, Jake Delhomme, Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger.
His stats prove him to be efficient and relatively low-risk. You play to your teams strengths. Our strength was running the ball, as is many teams. Doesn't mean the QB is worthless or "inadequate." This is a run-first team and probably always will be as long as Gibbs is coach. If you're looking for a gunslinger like Peyton Manning, find another team.
OK... is #13 great? Was he consistent? Did the redskins win 6 in a row when they decided to go with the power running game? Are you disagreeing with me?
irish 01-17-2006, 09:17 AM I just dont see campbell starting next year. I think Gibbs will try to milk every last ounce out of MB because he thinks MB gives the skins their best chance to win. Gibbs has assembled a playoff team and he will add more parts in the offseason, he's not going to take that playoff team and turn it over to an unproven qb. MB is the man until further notice.
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