Am I missing something on Ramsey?

Believe it or not, I think they will get at least a 3rd rounder for Ramsey. You have to trade him to get some value and work on the cap number.

They made their bed with Campbell it is time to see what he can do.

I think people have to remember that he doesn't even have a full season of starts under his bellt yet. Not to mention most of those starts were under Spurrier's kill the QB system. Against the Bears he passed for more yards in the 1st quarter (then he got hurt) then Brunnell did in rest of the game. Someone's assesment that he doesn't throw the ball away in tight situations is correct - but he is young and that will come in time. He throws the ball into tight coverage - he'll learn that too. Not that great at reading defenses - that comes with PT. He can't throw the quick slant b/c he puts too much zip on the ball- that is absurd, I know one QB who makes a name for himself breaking WRs fingers and he is on the way to the HOF (Favre). Just remember how long it took Favre, Aikman, Simms, Young, Hasselbeck, Delhomme to get going in their careers.

Ramsey appears on the outside to be a good young QB that needs to be in the same system for a few seasons and to grow. The Coaching staff must see something in practice that just turns them off. Hopefully they aren't making a mistake.

As it stands right now, Ramsey is a capable backup and no one but the coaches know if he has improved enough to be a #1 QB. Obviously the coaches would like to keep him so it's up to Ramsey as to whether he stays or leaves. In all likelihood he'll request a trade.

It all depends on how well Campbell is progressing.... Joe Thiesmann didn't start for years. Hopefully Campbell starts soon because Brunell isn't mobile really anymore. They need a mobile QB with a good arm. All that put together equals

#17 JASON CAMPBELL

Ramsey's Future With Redskins Uncertain

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=15036


It basically means goodbye Ramsey!

This right here reinforces why I believe having Brunell start and letting the younger quarterbacks watch him play benefits BOTH Patrick Ramsey and Jason Campbell:

Despite not playing, Ramsey said he learned last season by watching Brunell, a 13-year NFL veteran.

"I watched Mark do a lot of good things," Ramsey said. "He had some tough situations, against some good teams and some good defenses. He was in a lot of different situations, as far as having the lead and coming from behind.

"He did a great job all season long and I learned a lot from him as far as checking down and knowing when to run with the ball. Those are the things you know, but seeing him do things, it kind of reinforces the idea that you may have had in your head."

That, to me, is the proper way of bringing up a young, inexperienced quarterback in the NFL.

Ramsey, selected 32nd overall in 2002, was here before Gibbs arrived; the coach immediately acquired veteran Mark Brunell and traded three picks, including a first-rounder, to move up and take Campbell in the first round last year. Ramsey started the season opener, was yanked after 19 minutes, and never started again. He has made just 24 starts in four years here, and, with one year left on his rookie contract, badly wants a chance to start again, while Gibbs is enthusiastic that Campbell could play in 2006.

"I feel confident had Jason been thrust into things this year, I think he would have played and played well," Gibbs said. "We've seen a lot out of him, and now he needs to play. I was laughing when I told him, 'Okay, take the hat off and throw it away; you're ready to go to work to earn your money.' "

The New York Jets inquired about trading for Ramsey in September. Miami and Oakland are two other options for him, and several general managers said Ramsey likely would yield a mid-round pick in return. Ramsey would not commit to wanting to leave or return, and chose his words carefully, but is determined to play football next season.

"That was my concern when everything took place [being benched]," Ramsey said. "I'd like to play. If I'm going to develop as a quarterback in this league and play well, I think it needs to start at some point soon."

Gibbs said: "Patrick and I had a good talk and he felt a little bit like I did. Hey, the season's just over with and he hasn't had much chance to sit and think about anything and I haven't, either. So what we agreed to do is just continue to talk over these next few weeks."
Sounds pretty clear that Ramsey will be elsewhere in '06..

I really don't see how anyone can take from those quotes that Ramsey is in all liklyhood gone?

I think Patrick lightened up a bit as the season wore on, I also think that his decision isn't going to be based on any personel disagreements. It's going to be based on the fact that Patrick is at the point where he has to be given a legitamate opportunity to start, I believe that he would really like to stay here if he can start, but that's obviously the problem, does Gibbs stay with Brunell, and lose his backup? Or does he deciede it's patricks time to take over and keep Brunell around as a mentor, and a very solid backup? Although it makes the most sense to keep Patrick around for 1 more season, I don't believe at this point in his carreer it's fair to him to ask him to backup again, he's a player and he need's, and deserves an opportunity to play. Patrick has swallowed every bit of garbage that has been thrown at him since he arriver in DC, he deserves to be rewarded, either with the starters job with us, or via trade with another team.

And I also believe we can get at least a high #2 pick for Patrick, there's more GM's who believe in Ramsey, than we have shown here.

I really don't see how anyone can take from those quotes that Ramsey is in all liklyhood gone?

I think Patrick lightened up a bit as the season wore on, I also think that his decision isn't going to be based on any personel disagreements. It's going to be based on the fact that Patrick is at the point where he has to be given a legitamate opportunity to start, I believe that he would really like to stay here if he can start, but that's obviously the problem, does Gibbs stay with Brunell, and lose his backup? Or does he deciede it's patricks time to take over and keep Brunell around as a mentor, and a very solid backup? Although it makes the most sense to keep Patrick around for 1 more season, I don't believe at this point in his carreer it's fair to him to ask him to backup again, he's a player and he need's, and deserves an opportunity to play. Patrick has swallowed every bit of garbage that has been thrown at him since he arriver in DC, he deserves to be rewarded, either with the starters job with us, or via trade with another team.

And I also believe we can get at least a high #2 pick for Patrick, there's more GM's who believe in Ramsey, than we have shown here.
Please I pray that Gibbs doesn't keep that lame ass old QB and let Ramsey go.....

Musgrave said he had 3 words about Campbell..."Accurate, accurate, accurate!!!" Spurrier RUINED Ramsey. He may stay due to lack of confedence in himself but i doubt it. I look for us to pick up a lame veteran QB and push Campbell if Brunell not having winning record by week 5.