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Sheriff Gonna Getcha 02-21-2006, 08:09 PM Schneed and #56fanatic, I think you guys are talking past each other. I don't think either of you really disagree with what the other is saying, you are just talking about two different things.
I think Schneed correctly points out that our problems will not be severe if the CBA gets extended. I think #56fanatic correctly points that our past spending habits will come back to screw us if the CBA doesn't get extended. I think both of you will agree about those two points.
Schneed, you pretty much pointed this stuff out, I just thought that it might help if a "3rd party" pointed it out too.
That Guy 02-21-2006, 08:33 PM Does anyone know which other teams are is worse cap shape right now? In other words, what other teams are projected to be at least $20 million over next year's cap?
jets are 30$mill over i think, and the raiders arent looking good either...
70Chip 02-21-2006, 11:23 PM Matty had a link a ways back that detailed every teams finances and several are way over the cap. The only justification for singling out the Redskins, IMO, is if these other teams are not bumping up against the 30% rule the way we are. These other teams may be able to restructure and get well within the framework of the draconian rules that are triggered by the expiration of the CBA. My guess is that Pirsco and Pasta did not delve that deeply into it and are simply taking potshots at their favorite target (with some justification). Our specific problem seems to be these roster bonuses and some of the other over-the-cap teams might not have that problem.
George Micheal ran a clip from Coach Gibbs tonight and Joe was asking all the fans to "pray that this CBA thing gets worked out" or words to that affect.
My worry, based on the signals coming fom Upshaw, is that the players would prefer to let the deal expire. They can decertify and then exist in a baseball like world free of the cap. Either that or the owners will, as a crippling strike draws near, panic and give them a much better deal than would ever happen before March 3 or 9 or whatever the latest deadline is. If Snyder suspects this is the case he should tell the other owners to shove it on revenue sharing. IMO, the NFLPA is driving the train at this point - not the Browns and the Bengals. If you are going to make concessions, make them to Upshaw because he is the one who can save us from "cap hell". If there is no deal and the last capped year kicks in, we have no motive to give an inch on revenue. We'll need every penny of it to buy our Super Bowl team in 2007.
http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp
here it is again, every team's cap situation
CrazyCanuck 02-22-2006, 11:09 PM http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp
here it is again, every team's cap situation
Here's another one:
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Commentary/Columns/2006/reynolds022006.htm
How in the hell do the Raiders manage to field a team every year... weren't they something like $30M in the hole at this time last year? Yet they managed to sign Jordan and Moss?
That Guy 02-23-2006, 09:32 AM How in the hell do the Raiders manage to field a team every year... weren't they something like $30M in the hole at this time last year? Yet they managed to sign Jordan and Moss?
gannon took a HUGE paycut and then retired to bail them out. They got screwed when woodson ssigned a 10$mill franchise offer that they were only using to try to get trade value.
Gmanc711 02-23-2006, 09:42 AM Its going to be very interesting to see how this works out in the end. Obviously were not the only team in this situation, so are ALL the good free agents that are let go, going to just go to one team?? I dont see why guys wouldnt want to restructure their contracts because most free agents are going to be making a whole lot elsewhere either, wouldnt that be right??
Ugh, this is a bad situation, that I feel might get a whole lot worse.
Schneed10 02-23-2006, 09:51 AM Its going to be very interesting to see how this works out in the end. Obviously were not the only team in this situation, so are ALL the good free agents that are let go, going to just go to one team?? I dont see why guys wouldnt want to restructure their contracts because most free agents are going to be making a whole lot elsewhere either, wouldnt that be right??
Ugh, this is a bad situation, that I feel might get a whole lot worse.
Yeah you're right, a lot of players might be willing to swallow some bitter pills and take paycuts, because if the CBA doesn't get extended all hell will break loose. Players are going to get axed all over the damn place, there will be so much player movement our heads will be spinning. At that point, the market will be flooded with free agents, it will be a buyer's market, and they likely won't get quite what they're worth. So players might see some wisdom in just staying where they are and taking a paycut. We shall see.
Pocono 02-23-2006, 01:04 PM Yeah you're right, a lot of players might be willing to swallow some bitter pills and take paycuts, because if the CBA doesn't get extended all hell will break loose. Players are going to get axed all over the damn place, there will be so much player movement our heads will be spinning. At that point, the market will be flooded with free agents, it will be a buyer's market, and they likely won't get quite what they're worth. So players might see some wisdom in just staying where they are and taking a paycut. We shall see.
I think you're really over-stating the amount of problems other teams are going to have if there's no extension before the start of the new cap year. Other teams have not constructed their contracts leaving as little leeway as the Skins and may have left themselves a lot more room to operate because it potentially was the last capped year. For many teams it won't be much different than getting under every other year so what would be their hurry?
On the player's side with the Skins it's not a matter of just taking less this year but also of changing salaries thoughout their contracts. So why commit to taking less in the future when there will either be no cap or a cap in place including a lot more revenue than is shared now?
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