Brees and Rivers and the Market for Ramsey

Just overall, I think we shouldn't get our hopes up too high in what we'll get in return for Ramsey, despite what Mortensen says. As Redskin fans, I think a lot of us tend to think highly of PR and try to look at the times when he has flashed his potential and put up good games. But we seem to forget all the inconsistency, the holding onto the ball until a DE causes a fumble, the inability to scramble, and the deep-ball inaccuracy. Ramsey has not done anything in this league for any non-Redskin fan (or any non-Redskin GM) to believe he is the next QB for their team. He's very comparable to Joey Harrington in trade value, if you ask me. What would you trade for Joey Harrington to join your team? I don't know if I'd give a 3rd rounder.

If we get better than a 3rd rounder for Ramsey, that's gravy to me. I'd love to be pleasantly surprised. But I'm not getting my hopes up, he just hasn't done enough in this league to warrant a big trade offer.

Just overall, I think we shouldn't get our hopes up too high in what we'll get in return for Ramsey, despite what Mortensen says. As Redskin fans, I think a lot of us tend to think highly of PR and try to look at the times when he has flashed his potential and put up good games. But we seem to forget all the inconsistency, the holding onto the ball until a DE causes a fumble, the inability to scramble, and the deep-ball inaccuracy. Ramsey has not done anything in this league for any non-Redskin fan (or any non-Redskin GM) to believe he is the next QB for their team. He's very comparable to Joey Harrington in trade value, if you ask me. What would you trade for Joey Harrington to join your team? I don't know if I'd give a 3rd rounder.

If we get better than a 3rd rounder for Ramsey, that's gravy to me. I'd love to be pleasantly surprised. But I'm not getting my hopes up, he just hasn't done enough in this league to warrant a big trade offer.

I would definitely agree with this sentiment...I remember a lot of excitement over what we would get for "former first round pick" Rod Gardner. What we got wasnt much, though it even though it later proved to be way too much!

Frankly, the rumors I heard about John Abraham consisted of Ramsey AND Arrington, and getting a #1 pick for Ramsey is nonsense in my opinion. A 3rd is what Im thinking, and my thought when starting this thread was that the Rivers/Brees issue might bump us up in the round or even into the 2nd...

What is there to joke about?

PR looked shaky all preseason, and Brunell looked sharp. I don't see how that can be disputed.

Gibbs was obviously looking/hoping for Ramsey to seal the deal in the offseason, take take the job and run with it. Can you say he really did that?

Of course Gibbs didn't have much confidence in him, despite the fact the majority of fans supported Gibbs' claim that Ramsey was the starter, I guarantee you in the back of our minds we were all concerned given Ramsey's mediocre showing during the preseason.

I love how people make it seem like Ramsey was tearing it up during the 1st half of the Bears game. He threw a pick and fumbled twice, to Gibbs he had seen enough and couple that with his unimpressive offseason, he made the quick hook.

The opportunity that presented itself that I was referring to was when Ramsey went down, that was all Gibbs needed to get Brunell back in.

PR did look shakey in the preseason and MB did look sharp but as many were saying, PR was playing against the starters and MB was playing against the scrubs. So comparisons were hard to make. I guess my point is that now every skins fan makes it sound like MB was the obvious choice to be the starter when all the signs showed otherwise. I also recall lots of people who are now saying PR is average and inconsistent in the past saying how he was the QB of the future. PR has the same stats now as he did when he was proclaimed the QB of the future (because he hasnt played at all to change them). So the only thing that changed is MB did the job and PR never got the cahnce because Gibbs didnt have confidence that he could.

For the record, I was not a PR fan (as you may remember my preseason prediction which was 3 week off), and I thought MB was washed up, so going into this season I thopught the skins were screwed at QB. I was only sort of correct.

PR did look shakey in the preseason and MB did look sharp but as many were saying, PR was playing against the starters and MB was playing against the scrubs. So comparisons were hard to make. I guess my point is that now every skins fan makes it sound like MB was the obvious choice to be the starter when all the signs showed otherwise. I also recall lots of people who are now saying PR is average and inconsistent in the past saying how he was the QB of the future. PR has the same stats now as he did when he was proclaimed the QB of the future (because he hasnt played at all to change them). So the only thing that changed is MB did the job and PR never got the cahnce because Gibbs didnt have confidence that he could.

For the record, I was not a PR fan (as you may remember my preseason prediction which was 3 week off), and I thought MB was washed up, so going into this season I thopught the skins were screwed at QB. I was only sort of correct.

I didn't mean to say Brunell was the obvious choice, I had my doubts just as I'm sure everyone else did when he first came in for the reasons you pointed out. He looked good against mostly backups in the preseason so the doubt was there that he could keep it going against starters.

Master4caster:

You neglected to mention a couple of QBs who started in their rookie years who seem to have done pretty well. I'm thinking of Peyton Manning and Donovan McNabb (not till about the 10th game of rookie season) here. Going back a bit further, Drew Bledsoe and Troy Aikman started as rookies. Bledsoe has been to a Super Bowl; Aikman has three rings and will be in the HoF later this year. Other names that come to mind are Terry Bradshaw and Fran Tarkenton; they worked out all right too.


The only way Ramsey stays here next year is if his contract is "cap friendly". In the final year of some rookie deals, the baloon payment makes the contract a burden; I don't know what Ramsey's deal calls for next year. I do know that unless Brunell suffers a major injury, Patrick Ramsey will not start another game in Washington. By the time Brunell is ready to hit the showers, Jason Campbell will be the heir to the throne.

Gibbs pulled PR in the 1st half of the 1st game of the season. PR had not had a chance to do anything good or bad. MB had done nothing last year and people wrote him off for dead but Gibbs believed (correctly) that MB could get the job done better than PR could. Had Gibbs believed PR could get the job done he would not have pulled PR in the 1st game.

If pulling someone (who Gibbs said all preseason was the starter) in the 1st half of the 1st game of the year and replacing him with someone who was a complete stiff the year before is not a lack of confidence, I dont know what is.

Your right, I was trying to be kind! Gibbs had no confidence at that time that PR could pull it off. Can anyone argue with the decision, and the results being enjoyed by the Skins?

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Your right, I was trying to be kind! Gibbs had no confidence at that time that PR could pull it off. Can anyone argue with the decision, and the results being enjoyed by the Skins?
Damn do you really want that answered..it will be closed like every other anti brunell thread! It's best not to ask questions like that....... I said I would stay positive this week why cant everyone else..why do we need Brunell is better... ramsey cant do this.... why not have peace and just talk playoffs....

One of the best talent evaluators the NFL has ever seen said Patrick Ramsey would be a very good QB in the NFL, and I tend to believe him over most of the other so called experts. This guy has won superbowls, actually should have gotten credit for one more, because the other guy just stood there and watched, I could have coached that team. I found talent up and down the draft that people didn't give a second look at. He is rarely wrong when evaluating talent.

The guy, Jimmy Johnson.

One of the best talent evaluators the NFL has ever seen said Patrick Ramsey would be a very good QB in the NFL, and I tend to believe him over most of the other so called experts. This guy has won superbowls, actually should have gotten credit for one more, because the other guy just stood there and watched, I could have coached that team. I found talent up and down the draft that people didn't give a second look at. He is rarely wrong when evaluating talent.

The guy, Jimmy Johnson.

Cowboy lover.

One of the best talent evaluators the NFL has ever seen said Patrick Ramsey would be a very good QB in the NFL, and I tend to believe him over most of the other so called experts. This guy has won superbowls, actually should have gotten credit for one more, because the other guy just stood there and watched, I could have coached that team. I found talent up and down the draft that people didn't give a second look at. He is rarely wrong when evaluating talent.

The guy, Jimmy Johnson.

LOL you might want to check his draft record when he was with Miami, it didn't compare to his success with Dallas.