Brees and Rivers and the Market for Ramsey

I am old school and am convinced that QBs need four to five years of seasoning before they should start. Starting Harrington, Carr, Boller in their first year hasn't helped them or their teams. Although you can make a case for Little Eli and Drew Brees, they really are the exception when you think of it and they have strong rushers in their backfield. Harrington, Carr, Boller, Orton and Ramsey will develop into fine starters along the line of Steve Buerlein and Brad Johnson (who spent his first five years as a back-up with the Vikings).

Much as Mark Brunell has done this year, he will be 36 next season. Jurgensen retired at about that age. Ramsey will be a better package next season than Campbell. Also, teams should grow their stars and keep them. Hard to do these days, but still the ideal situation. If Joe Gibbs can work his magic, maybe Ramsey stays.

I am old school and am convinced that QBs need four to five years of seasoning before they should start. Starting Harrington, Carr, Boller in their first year hasn't helped them or their teams. Although you can make a case for Little Eli and Drew Brees, they really are the exception when you think of it and they have strong rushers in their backfield. Harrington, Carr, Boller, Orton and Ramsey will develop into fine starters along the line of Steve Buerlein and Brad Johnson (who spent his first five years as a back-up with the Vikings).

Much as Mark Brunell has done this year, he will be 36 next season. Jurgensen retired at about that age. Ramsey will be a better package next season than Campbell. Also, teams should grow their stars and keep them. Hard to do these days, but still the ideal situation. If Joe Gibbs can work his magic, maybe Ramsey stays.

Yea, 'Im old school as well. In all honesty I cannot imagine anyone saying "were gonna' bench this dude for 5 years @ 5 mil per" so he can mature. The only one I can remember doing (I am sure there are more) something like that is the Skins, when Theisman was the backup to Kilmer, and it took him forever to prove himself better.

PR will not stay with the skins. Like I said back in August, Gibbs, for whatever reason, has no confidence in PR. And for his part, I think PR knows this and wants to move on and see if he can catch-on and become a starter. Gibbs drafted Campbell and MB is Gibbs' boy, PR is the odd man out. PR may end up being a good QB in the NFL but it wont be with the skins.

First, I doubt the Jets would trade Abraham for Ramsey. I think to get Abraham in a Ramsey deal, we'd have to throw in a pick of some sort. And I don't think that would be wise.

Secondly, the fact that Rivers and Brees are probably both off the market doesn't change much for Ramsey, in my eyes. I don't see a single team out there who thinks Ramsey is a clear-cut #1 QB. He's the kind of guy you bring in for insurance or as someone to compete for teh starting job. If he went to Miami he'd compete with Frerotte, who had a great finish to his season. If he went to NYJ he'd be insurance for Pennington. In Detroit he'd be competition for Harrington. In Houston, competition for Carr. New Orleans might be his best option, depending on what the Saints do with Todd Bouman. Seemed like Bouman was getting an audition to be the starter until the rookie #1 pick was ready to start. But Bouman was terrible, so maybe Ramsey ends up in that role.

But when you think about it, there is no team Ramsey can go to where he'll be THE GUY. I'm not sure a 2nd round pick is likely for a guy like that. Not when other journeyman QBs will be available in free agency. I personally think a 3rd rounder is the best we'll do. And that's fine with me actually, because I don't think Ramsey is going to be anything special at any point in his career.

First, I doubt the Jets would trade Abraham for Ramsey. I think to get Abraham in a Ramsey deal, we'd have to throw in a pick of some sort. And I don't think that would be wise.

Secondly, the fact that Rivers and Brees are probably both off the market doesn't change much for Ramsey, in my eyes. I don't see a single team out there who thinks Ramsey is a clear-cut #1 QB. He's the kind of guy you bring in for insurance or as someone to compete for teh starting job. If he went to Miami he'd compete with Frerotte, who had a great finish to his season. If he went to NYJ he'd be insurance for Pennington. In Detroit he'd be competition for Harrington. In Houston, competition for Carr. New Orleans might be his best option, depending on what the Saints do with Todd Bouman. Seemed like Bouman was getting an audition to be the starter until the rookie #1 pick was ready to start. But Bouman was terrible, so maybe Ramsey ends up in that role.

But when you think about it, there is no team Ramsey can go to where he'll be THE GUY. I'm not sure a 2nd round pick is likely for a guy like that. Not when other journeyman QBs will be available in free agency. I personally think a 3rd rounder is the best we'll do. And that's fine with me actually, because I don't think Ramsey is going to be anything special at any point in his career.

What rookie #1 pick for the Saints are you talking about?

PR will not stay with the skins. Like I said back in August, Gibbs, for whatever reason, has no confidence in PR. And for his part, I think PR knows this and wants to move on and see if he can catch-on and become a starter. Gibbs drafted Campbell and MB is Gibbs' boy, PR is the odd man out. PR may end up being a good QB in the NFL but it wont be with the skins.

It's not a matter of Gibbs "not having confidence with PR". Gibbs would do what is necessary for the benefit of the team. He felt Brunell was a better fit this year. Obviously, he was correct. That does not mean PR has not improved, and could replace Brunell. Dude is 36! He may have to put Campbell away in the process. Like I said in an earlier post, it took SEVERAL seasons for Theismans to earn the job. I think your correct, PR will be an unhappy man, and will try to force a deal to leave.

What rookie #1 pick for the Saints are you talking about?

Leinart or Young, assuming they take one of them. Brooks is out the door.

First, I doubt the Jets would trade Abraham for Ramsey. I think to get Abraham in a Ramsey deal, we'd have to throw in a pick of some sort. And I don't think that would be wise.

Secondly, the fact that Rivers and Brees are probably both off the market doesn't change much for Ramsey, in my eyes. I don't see a single team out there who thinks Ramsey is a clear-cut #1 QB. He's the kind of guy you bring in for insurance or as someone to compete for teh starting job. If he went to Miami he'd compete with Frerotte, who had a great finish to his season. If he went to NYJ he'd be insurance for Pennington. In Detroit he'd be competition for Harrington. In Houston, competition for Carr. New Orleans might be his best option, depending on what the Saints do with Todd Bouman. Seemed like Bouman was getting an audition to be the starter until the rookie #1 pick was ready to start. But Bouman was terrible, so maybe Ramsey ends up in that role.

But when you think about it, there is no team Ramsey can go to where he'll be THE GUY. I'm not sure a 2nd round pick is likely for a guy like that. Not when other journeyman QBs will be available in free agency. I personally think a 3rd rounder is the best we'll do. And that's fine with me actually, because I don't think Ramsey is going to be anything special at any point in his career.

Great post, I totally agree.

I definitely agree that teams aren't likely to see Ramsey as a guy you can bring in and just hand the job to. He's definitely a guy that will be brought in to compete for a job. And that kind of guy doesn't command a #1 pick. And I think we'd be extremely luck to get a #2.

Leinart or Young, assuming they take one of them. Brooks is out the door.

Oh ok I thought you were talking about someone they already had on the roster.

And like you and Matty say I really can't see us getting a #1 pick for Ramsey straight up. If we do, then let us never, ever, ever again have a "We Need a General Manager" thread

I'd predict that Ramsey sticks around for one more year as the heir to Brunell. Then Ramsey will get a couple years to run the show while Campbell is the heir. It is not common in the league to do such because of the cap but this is how Gibbs always liked it before and if they can figure a reasonable way to justify the the cap numbers I would imagine that's Gibbs' version of the perfect situation.